My apologies for starting this debate and then running away - I 've spent most of the past week in hospital or recovering from the experience :-) (I wont take this opportunity to lavish praise on the freely available Australian health system and how such systems are surely the measure of whether or not a nation is civilised) I'm surprised to see such a lengthy thread develop and have enjoyed catching up this morning with the views expressed over the past few days although its a pity your conference roundtable idea which has evolved from my thread won't be a real contest between the "yes there is a cyberspace" and "no there isnt" sides but rather like an All Stars charity match. However, if I might divert your attention a little - it appears that nobody found it noteworthy that half the members of a class of mature aged Internet Studies students disagreed with the idea that there is a cyberspace. What if we are typical of the modern internet user and typical of present and future students? Your ranks will swell with people who dont believe in cyberspace because we are people who see the internet as a tool and as an natural extension of our daily tasks. Some of my fellow students have already remarked how believing the cyberspace concept seems to be a religious like act of faith. It does make me wonder whether Internet Studies should be in the Arts/Humanities area or whether it should be a Science where numbers, rather than concepts, are investigated and analsyed. Now there is a subject worthy of discussion - Internet Studies, is it Art or a Science ?? see ya Eero Tarik Adelaide