radhika, while i understand your desire to find a subterranean headspace, i'd suggest staying above ground, whether the ground is snow or concrete. i think i speak for many when i say we need your voice now more than ever. peace. =) jillana, keep forwarding. i have benefited from so many posts on air-l, especially from robert, who seems to find all the most interesting nodes of cyberspace. i have used these posts to better understand what is happening today and what will most likely happen tomorrow, have integrated them into my lectures and research, and have found myself using them as spring boards to explore more. there's no need or use for us to shut down now. danny's post was right on target and he raises all kinds of questions that can take us years to answer collectively. i agree that air-l has in the past been very north american but this doesn't have to be the case, and i believe it is changing swiftly. it seems to me that the list is getting more and more international and i've heard reports from the conference committee that air 4.0 has attracted proposals from a larger range of countries than previous conferenes. (please correct me, someone, if i'm wrong, or, better yet, give us some numbers if possible.) speaking as an american, the mainstream media that surrounds me has gone into hyper pro-war mode so the more diverse coverage, perspectives, and ideas that can potentially emerge from communities like air-l, the better in my book. danny also characterized air-l as highly professional and mentioned the careerism of its participants. although i call air my home conference and spend much time learning from air-l, i would have to agree somewhat with this comment and am wondering if and how it can be changed. most of us on this list are scholars and artists and activists and technologists and just plain freaks (a term of affection in my book), but all of us are human (any bots out there?) and i personally don't see that as a conflict. with this in mind, there seems a lot we -- as academics and as human beings -- can do within a forum like air-l: we can continue to educate and share ideas with one another, ideas that may not be covered in mainstream media; we can continue to post emails describing various actions -- online and offline, anti-war and pro-war (anyone following clear channel's sponsorship of pro-war rallies? crazy) -- being organized as a response to the war; we can ask the conference committee to consider organizing some kind of special roundtable discussion/s on matters on the war, globalization, and digital technologies; we can even be so bold as to consider some kind of resolution similar to that passed recently by the Association of American Geographers. i'm not assuming that everyone on this list is against this war. indeed, in the last 24 hours i've received a number of emails offlist deriding my post, calling me a communist (haven't heard that insult in a while, how bush sr, no?). in an ideal world, such posts would be sent to the list rather than directly to my inbox. peace, peace, peace, david