The recent activity on the list has scotched my tendency to be lazy about filtering. I just want to re-emphasize Christian's observation: attention is like oxygen for trollers. Without it, they disappear -- migrating off to some other locale where they can find an attention-rich environment, sometimes with a few nasty last-ditch spasms of provocation. It was nice to see the list carry on, largely oblivious to the trolling, for some time on some very interesting topics. The critical mass seems to have shifted and it would be nice to see it shift back. Is anybody following Mark Burnett's latest cross-platfrom marketing extravaganza: his attempt to enlist the internet as a strategy for getting people to watch TV more closely? It's fascinating in a disconcerting way to see the combined attempts of the regulatory institutions and the cultural institutions piecing together their strategy for commodification. This from the chief "creative" director of AOL: "The game vivifies the entire value of the Web...The pop culture orientation ties in two of the biggest behaviors that drive the Web: gaming and interest in celebrities." A familiar conception of value... for what it's worth, Mark