discussion on free papers
hi all, concerning the discussion why papers of the maastricht- conference are not freely available online, i just want to make some statements: first, i am not a member (because its too expensive, for a student); second, i dont think its a technical problem - of course it costs some time, but creating pdf-documents and putting them online ist not very difficult - it should be the same like it is currently done but without signing-in. third i guess the whole problem is an academic one: instead of working together, some are *sitting* on their work and results. but that leads nobody nowhere. ok, i am just an european student without real experience in the academic field, i can only guess how hard it is to get funds, etc. but that`s what the debate looks like to me. i hope nobody feels personally attacked. greetings, -- Philipp Budka email: ph.budka@philbu.net tel.: +43(01) 95 28 244 tel. mobil.: +43(0)6991 95 28 244 Rustengasse 5/10 1150 Wien, Austria +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!
I totally agree and sign together with Philipp Budka. One of the main problems in Internet research is to overcome the theoretical hype (or pessimism) and eventually to assess theoretical claims regarding their real-world relevance. To do that you certainly need to review (or even study) results from empirical and interdisciplinary research works. For example, how can we see (and forsee) the effectiveness of Internet and Web applications in urban management and governance? Can we do that based only on various theoretical and political assumptions regarding the technology's potentials? Certainly No. We need to look carefully and critically on why, how, from whom, and for what that happens. And if we're in a position to draw some conclusions from our work, we further need to compare and correlate these to other derived from different works that either use different methodologies or different case studies (geographically or by sector/ topic of interest). Under this view, the as free as possible access to Internet research through this very same tool (Internet) should be considered of particular importance by Internet researchers. I clearly suggest the free online publication of the AIR conferences' proceedings. Issues of privacy and copyright could be overcome by using special security configurations and devices available at any e-paper software (see online journals). Thanks Dr. Vassilys Fourkas Research Associate Spatial Development Research Unit (SDRU) Department of Urban and Regional Planning and Development School of Architecture PO BOX 491 Aristotle University of Thessalonica Thessalonica, 54006 Greece Tel: 0030 310 995584 Fax: 0030 310 995592 Email: vfourkas@estia.arch.auth.gr URL: http://estia.arch.auth.gr
hi all, I am a silent member of this list .. but extremely happy with the topics being discussed (I read almost every single post :) My two cents on this: I think a community that is so interested on internet research and the dissemination of knowledge and info online should make it a policy to provide all its proceedings online for free (open source/documents). I got the impression from the e-mails circulated on the list about the conferences (a never attended any due to other responsibilities) that there is much more to gain by attending than getting a copy of the proceedings. So logically making the proceeding available online will hopefully not dicrease the interest in the conference (and thus the membership of the org) but instead it will (i think and hope) create a better awareness of our existence and encourage others to join (that is how i did join - by finding a paper online making reference to this org). I understand that it might not be possible to put this years' proceedings online for free (for whatever copyright etc complications).. but i think it is an issue to consider and make mandotary in the future ? Panayiotis Philipp Budka wrote:
hi all,
concerning the discussion why papers of the maastricht- conference are not freely available online, i just want to make some statements: first, i am not a member (because its too expensive, for a student); second, i dont think its a technical problem - of course it costs some time, but creating pdf-documents and putting them online ist not very difficult - it should be the same like it is currently done but without signing-in. third i guess the whole problem is an academic one: instead of working together, some are *sitting* on their work and results. but that leads nobody nowhere. ok, i am just an european student without real experience in the academic field, i can only guess how hard it is to get funds, etc. but that`s what the debate looks like to me. i hope nobody feels personally attacked. greetings,
i fully support free paper distribution, i even have a server at cddc dedicated to eprints that anyone can use to distribute electronic prints, aoir members and non members alike. but free and open distribution must be the decision of the individual not an obligation put on them because they participate in an organization or attend a conference. i'm not into removing people's freedom to provide free papers. i'm not even into having an organization provide free papers if that organization relies on the good will of its members to provide those papers without the organization returning something to those members in kind. so i don't support making papers and proceedings available to the world, i don't think we've ever said we would, and i don't think it is a good idea institutionally to take over those rights and duties involved with intellectual ownership and electronic distribution, though it is a great idea for people to do it individually, as many members do already. jeremy hunsinger jhuns@vt.edu on the ibook www.cddc.vt.edu www.cddc.vt.edu/jeremy () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments
I fully agree with Jeremy (and Ulla-yesterday). I'm even surprised that such an issue has arisen in a forum like this one where most of us have been studying all these qualitative, quantitative, ethical, political, socio-economic, cultural etc etc issues related to the new media. Really, what do we know? --Moses http://www.math.upatras.gr/~mboudour On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, jeremy hunsinger wrote:
i fully support free paper distribution, i even have a server at cddc dedicated to eprints that anyone can use to distribute electronic prints, aoir members and non members alike. but free and open distribution must be the decision of the individual not an obligation put on them because they participate in an organization or attend a conference. i'm not into removing people's freedom to provide free papers. i'm not even into having an organization provide free papers if that organization relies on the good will of its members to provide those papers without the organization returning something to those members in kind. so i don't support making papers and proceedings available to the world, i don't think we've ever said we would, and i don't think it is a good idea institutionally to take over those rights and duties involved with intellectual ownership and electronic distribution, though it is a great idea for people to do it individually, as many members do already.
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I second Jeremy's note - the association should not coerce anyone to do anything. We have encouraged people to share their work, and we have a means (again, as with so much else of our online presence, courtesy Jeremy) of distributing work electronically. If there are people interested in doing so I am sure Jeremy will help them (though if there is truly great interest in this I would hope that there will be people who will help Jeremy, for he, along with Charlie Breindahl's help, has been shouldering virtually the entire burden of running AoIR's Internet applications and hardware). Let us not also forget that many of the papers presented at AoIR conferences have been published in various forms and venues, and that for many people publication of work in a proceedings (whether online or offline) may foreclose other publication opportunities that "count" for much more in academic settings. There are interesting ways in which academic work is implicated in intellectual property matters, and not all of them are only based on legal considerations. Perhaps some of those who have published could share citations. AoIR will continue to encourage the sharing of work, but should not obligate or coerce anyone to share it (or to do anything else for that matter). Thanks, Sj At 7:17 AM -0500 11/1/02, jeremy hunsinger wrote:
i fully support free paper distribution, i even have a server at cddc dedicated to eprints that anyone can use to distribute electronic prints, aoir members and non members alike. but free and open distribution must be the decision of the individual not an obligation put on them because they participate in an organization or attend a conference. i'm not into removing people's freedom to provide free papers. i'm not even into having an organization provide free papers if that organization relies on the good will of its members to provide those papers without the organization returning something to those members in kind. so i don't support making papers and proceedings available to the world, i don't think we've ever said we would, and i don't think it is a good idea institutionally to take over those rights and duties involved with intellectual ownership and electronic distribution, though it is a great idea for people to do it individually, as many members do already.
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Have people seen: Online or Invisible? Steve Lawrence, NEC Research Institute Publications which are available online get cited more (alot more). Figure 2: Analysis of citation rates within publication venues. The graph shows the distribution of the percentage increase for the average number of citations to online articles compared to offline articles. The analysis covers 1,494 publication venues containing at least 5 online and 5 offline articles. For 90% of venues, online articles are more highly cited on average. On average there are 336% more citations to online articles compared to offline articles published in the same venue [the first, second (median), and third quartiles of the distribution are 58%, 158%, and 361%]. Andy Edmonds Human Factors, Clemson Univ 864-624-9776 http://www.clemson.edu/~kedmond
That's interesting. Do you have the reference to hand? Here at CRIC we did a bit or research on users of our online paper series and found not only we people more likely to cite the e-papers that journal papers but they were more likely to search out traditional journal articles by cric authors. The cynic in me sort of presume this was just an anomaly (read people just being nice) :-) Jase -- Dr Jason Rutter (Research Fellow) ESRC Centre for Research on Innovation and Competition (CRIC), The University of Manchester, Harold Hankins Building, Booth Street West, Manchester, M13 9QH PH: +44 (0) 161 275 6859 Fax: +44 (0) 161 275 7361 http://www.cric.ac.uk/cric/Jason_Rutter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Edmonds" <andyed@surfmind.com> To: <air-l@aoir.org> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [Air-l] discussion on free papers
Have people seen: Online or Invisible? Steve Lawrence, NEC Research Institute
Publications which are available online get cited more (alot more).
Figure 2: Analysis of citation rates within publication venues. The graph shows the distribution of the percentage increase for the average number of citations to online articles compared to offline articles. The analysis covers 1,494 publication venues containing at least 5 online and 5 offline articles. For 90% of venues, online articles are more highly cited on average. On average there are 336% more citations to online articles compared to offline articles published in the same venue [the first, second (median), and third quartiles of the distribution are 58%, 158%, and 361%].
Andy Edmonds Human Factors, Clemson Univ 864-624-9776 http://www.clemson.edu/~kedmond
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Have people seen: Online or Invisible? Steve Lawrence, NEC Research Institute
That's interesting. Do you have the reference to hand?
Whoops, meant to include the link: http://www.neci.nec.com/~lawrence/pub-ri.html, Online or Invisible?, Steve Lawrence (Nature), http://www.neci.nec.com/~lawrence/papers/online-nature01/ -AE
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Vassilys Fourkas