hi there everyone, what an interesting discussion about conference papers that is reflected at a more local level with my own experience. i am lecturing a 3rd level course at the University of Lincoln, uk, (Culture, Self and Technology) which has an excellent Virtual campus - some lecturers post their lecture notes there. I will not, for two reasons: - 1. any notes i work from during lectures require a considerable amount of work before publication on the Virtual campus. 2. i personally think that it makes students lazy - lectures are not the definitive answer on the subject - merely a taster to stimulate interest. I have seen students armed with lecture notes and the dreaded highlighter who are really not listening. my second experience with the same course, is mainly with online material. My students have been told by various staff members not to use internet resources as they are 'of dubious quality'. - now my background is that i am 'writing up' a PhD that is an online ethnography, and i work with online journals and articles as a matter of course. I will allow, and even encourage my students to do so too. so now you are all wondering what the point of this story is! well firstly, i recognise the huge amount of work that goes into producing online versions of work, and secondly, outside of our own little enclave of cyber-researchers there is still a large cohort that attach no value to work published online. We necessarily must live in both worlds, and while attempting to further our careers must use the 'regular' channels in which to publish. Hopefully the 'Real World' will catch up soon. regards Denise Carter denisecarter@denisecarter.net
Hi everyone I've only just joined the list and wasn't sure if 'intros' were appropriate, but the discussion has taken my interest. Like Denise, part of my own PhD (I'm in the final year... er.. getting to 'writing up') is an online ethnography. In both courses that I teach, I also make extensive use of online journals, and encourage my students to do the same. Other members of staff here have gone with the 'dubious' quality argument for online material, a fact which, in my opinion, doesn't help the students ability to associate the topics with their own lives, and contributes to the devaluing of that format. There is definitely an argument for more established academics to allow their conference papers to be published, if only to open the way for a better judgement of online academic material. Researches of online environments should surely be the first to support this. Regards, Tom --- Tom Hope Dept of Sociology University of York York YO10 5DD UK Tel. +44-01904-432632 Fax. +44-01904-433043 http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/soci/graduates/gradhope.htm
i don't think very many people are against the publishing of conference papers online or offline in journals, books, whatever, but I think we are against having a situation that precludes that. Publication is for the author to decide, and sometimes publishing an article online in an online proceedings that is publicly available will preclude publishing it elsewhere. and i think it is quite apparent that online publications are cited more, but the archives for members are not publications and most of the articles should not be cited without authors permission, in fact none of those articles are in any way published by aoir when they sit in that archive, they are just shared as occasionally shares a preprint of an article among friends and colleagues. On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 11:37 AM, Tom Hope wrote:
Hi everyone I've only just joined the list and wasn't sure if 'intros' were appropriate, but the discussion has taken my interest. Like Denise, part of my own PhD (I'm in the final year... er.. getting to 'writing up') is an online ethnography. In both courses that I teach, I also make extensive use of online journals, and encourage my students to do the same. Other members of staff here have gone with the 'dubious' quality argument for online material, a fact which, in my opinion, doesn't help the students ability to associate the topics with their own lives, and contributes to the devaluing of that format. There is definitely an argument for more established academics to allow their conference papers to be published, if only to open the way for a better judgement of online academic material. Researches of online environments should surely be the first to support this. Regards, Tom
--- Tom Hope Dept of Sociology University of York York YO10 5DD UK Tel. +44-01904-432632 Fax. +44-01904-433043 http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/soci/graduates/gradhope.htm
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From: "jeremy hunsinger" <jhuns@vt.edu> "in fact none of those articles are in any way published by aoir when they sit in that archive, they are just shared as occasionally shares a preprint of an article among friends and colleagues." i see - i missed the distinction of archiving as against publishing. i agree that publication is for the author to decide, and acknowledge that archiving materials may be simply shared among 'friends and colleagues'. I think perhaps the core issue is one of protective ownership - we all strive for that flash of inspiration that raises our work higher than that of our colleagues - and generally would pick and choose very carefully to whom we allow access - archiving is perhaps the equivalent of leaving your research project in the common room Denise Carter denisecarter@denisecarter.net
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