Dumbest Generation?
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Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;) Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, NY: Random House Inc. Best. Casey On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
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I will get this book, but I will highly critical based on my research and my direct knowledge of the power of gaming for learning. The Pentagon has spent billions and understands its power because they are currently fighting a real cyberwar with rogue nations and domestic hackers. Chris -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Casey O'Donnell Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:12 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-L] Dumbest Generation? Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;) Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, NY: Random House Inc. Best. Casey On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age
Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
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And remember when it was books in the 19th century - the scribbling women (Hawthorne), Madame Bovary etc. etc. etc. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales@wikia.com> wrote:
Casey O'Donnell wrote:
Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;)
It was heavy metal that did it to my generation, and Elvis the generation before.
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Literacy education then means a recycling the junk cultural of the past? joana ro wrote:
And remember when it was books in the 19th century - the scribbling women (Hawthorne), Madame Bovary etc. etc. etc.
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales@wikia.com> wrote:
Casey O'Donnell wrote:
Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;)
It was heavy metal that did it to my generation, and Elvis the generation before.
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yet somehow american IQ scores continue to climb... a Casey O'Donnell wrote:
Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;)
Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, NY: Random House Inc.
Best. Casey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
Thank goodness. I wouldn't want any future generation to usurp my generation's claim to being dumbest. Hang on...since it's probably those of my generation who are writing and scoring those IQ tests.... Sj On May 15, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Aram Sinnreich wrote:
yet somehow american IQ scores continue to climb...
a
Casey O'Donnell wrote:
Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;)
Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, NY: Random House Inc.
Best. Casey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu
wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
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It's also my generation that brought up and taught those kids... so ... well...
Thank goodness. I wouldn't want any future generation to usurp my generation's claim to being dumbest.
Hang on...since it's probably those of my generation who are writing and scoring those IQ tests....
Sj
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I haven't read the book, but a counter point could be Stephen Johnson's Everything Bad Is Good For You where he argues new media is making us smarter by training us to see patterns from fragmented information. The issue I had on Johnson's book was that, sure maybe we're getting smarter, but we sure aren't getting wiser. We can grok systems in some settings but somehow aren't able to grok the bigger social world and make decisions that reflect our understanding. Maybe this new book is actually talking about being foolish, not dumb? mark On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Steve Jones <sjones@uic.edu> wrote:
Thank goodness. I wouldn't want any future generation to usurp my generation's claim to being dumbest.
Hang on...since it's probably those of my generation who are writing and scoring those IQ tests....
Sj
On May 15, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Aram Sinnreich wrote:
yet somehow american IQ scores continue to climb...
a
Casey O'Donnell wrote:
Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;)
Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, NY: Random House Inc.
Best. Casey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age
Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
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Did you really just mean to suggest that previous generations understood the larger social world and made wise decisions that reflected that understanding? I would think philosophers would have always agreed and been right, were that the case. -Alexis + -------- redheadedstepchild.org ------- + On Thu, 15 May 2008, Mark Chen wrote: ::Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:23:34 -0700 ::From: Mark Chen <markchen@u.washington.edu> ::Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::Subject: Re: [Air-L] Dumbest Generation? :: ::I haven't read the book, but a counter point could be Stephen Johnson's ::Everything Bad Is Good For You where he argues new media is making us ::smarter by training us to see patterns from fragmented information. :: ::The issue I had on Johnson's book was that, sure maybe we're getting ::smarter, but we sure aren't getting wiser. We can grok systems in some ::settings but somehow aren't able to grok the bigger social world and make ::decisions that reflect our understanding. Maybe this new book is actually ::talking about being foolish, not dumb? :: ::mark :: ::On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Steve Jones <sjones@uic.edu> wrote: :: ::> Thank goodness. I wouldn't want any future generation to usurp my ::> generation's claim to being dumbest. ::> ::> Hang on...since it's probably those of my generation who are writing and ::> scoring those IQ tests.... ::> ::> Sj ::> ::> ::> On May 15, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Aram Sinnreich wrote: ::> ::> yet somehow american IQ scores continue to climb... ::>> ::>> a ::>> ::>> Casey O'Donnell wrote: ::>> ::>>> Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;) ::>>> ::>>> Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American ::>>> Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, ::>>> NY: Random House Inc. ::>>> ::>>> Best. ::>>> Casey ::>>> ::>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> ::>>> wrote: ::>>> ::>>> Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age ::>>>> Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... ::>>>> great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the ::>>>> book: ::>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn ::>>>> ::>>>> ::>>>> ::>>> ::>>> _______________________________________________ ::>> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::>> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::>> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: ::>> http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org ::>> ::>> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::>> http://www.aoir.org/ ::>> ::> ::> _______________________________________________ ::> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: ::> http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org ::> ::> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::> http://www.aoir.org/ ::> :: :: :: ::-- ::Mark Chen | PhD Candidate | Games researcher/designer | Tech instructor ::College of Education - Ed Tech | University of Washington - Seattle ::My games research and life in academia blog: markdangerchen.net ::_______________________________________________ ::The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org :: ::Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::http://www.aoir.org/ ::
Oy! No, sorry for the implication. I didn't mean to say that previous generations were any wiser, just that the current generation isn't wise either, only smarter. :) mark On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:11 AM, <subbies@redheadedstepchild.org> wrote:
Did you really just mean to suggest that previous generations understood the larger social world and made wise decisions that reflected that understanding? I would think philosophers would have always agreed and been right, were that the case. -Alexis
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On Thu, 15 May 2008, Mark Chen wrote:
::Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:23:34 -0700 ::From: Mark Chen <markchen@u.washington.edu> ::Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org ::Subject: Re: [Air-L] Dumbest Generation? :: ::I haven't read the book, but a counter point could be Stephen Johnson's ::Everything Bad Is Good For You where he argues new media is making us ::smarter by training us to see patterns from fragmented information. :: ::The issue I had on Johnson's book was that, sure maybe we're getting ::smarter, but we sure aren't getting wiser. We can grok systems in some ::settings but somehow aren't able to grok the bigger social world and make ::decisions that reflect our understanding. Maybe this new book is actually ::talking about being foolish, not dumb? :: ::mark :: ::On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Steve Jones <sjones@uic.edu> wrote: :: ::> Thank goodness. I wouldn't want any future generation to usurp my ::> generation's claim to being dumbest. ::> ::> Hang on...since it's probably those of my generation who are writing and ::> scoring those IQ tests.... ::> ::> Sj ::> ::> ::> On May 15, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Aram Sinnreich wrote: ::> ::> yet somehow american IQ scores continue to climb... ::>> ::>> a ::>> ::>> Casey O'Donnell wrote: ::>> ::>>> Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;) ::>>> ::>>> Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American ::>>> Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, ::>>> NY: Random House Inc. ::>>> ::>>> Best. ::>>> Casey ::>>> ::>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce < kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> ::>>> wrote: ::>>> ::>>> Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age ::>>>> Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... ::>>>> great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the ::>>>> book: ::>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn ::>>>> ::>>>> ::>>>> ::>>> ::>>> _______________________________________________ ::>> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::>> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::>> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: ::>> http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org ::>> ::>> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::>> http://www.aoir.org/ ::>> ::> ::> _______________________________________________ ::> The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::> is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::> Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: ::> http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org ::> ::> Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::> http://www.aoir.org/ ::> :: :: :: ::-- ::Mark Chen | PhD Candidate | Games researcher/designer | Tech instructor ::College of Education - Ed Tech | University of Washington - Seattle ::My games research and life in academia blog: markdangerchen.net ::_______________________________________________ ::The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list ::is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org ::Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org :: ::Join the Association of Internet Researchers: ::http://www.aoir.org/ :: _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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New media being seriously considered as the culprits for all that is wrong in the modern world? A discussion about this conducted via old mass media rituals of substance-less sound bites? Complaints about youth's irresponsibility and dumbness even as numerous old f**ts vie for eternal youth by getting on Spacebook and My Face (embarrassing their kids in the process) or yakking constantly on their cell phones while they drive or shop? Perhaps current youth aren't dumber. . . they're just dumb in a new way. Christopher J. Richter Associate Professor, Communication Studies Hollins University 8015 Quadrangle Lane PO Box 9652 Roanoke, VA 24020-1652 Tel: 5403626358 Fax: 5403626286 crichter@hollins.edu www.hollins.edu
Yeah, when I was a kid, it was TV ... Or was it rock and roll ... Can't recall (since my brain was dazed by TV and rock and roll :) ... Richard On 5/15/08 9:11 AM, "Casey O'Donnell" <odonnc@rpi.edu> wrote:
Huh... I thought it was Nintendo and videogames that did that... ;)
Sheff, David. 1993. Game Over: How Nintendo Zapped an American Industry, Captured Your Dollars, and Enslaved Your Children. New York, NY: Random House Inc.
Best. Casey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce <kpearce@umail.ucsb.edu> wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
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see the The University of Google by Tara Brabazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/University-Google-Education-Post-Information/ dp/075467097X dumb is a very nasty word I have learned in my disability activism work. On 15-May-08, at 9:40 AM, Katy E. Pearce wrote:
Mark Bauerlein's new book, The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future and its critics... great debate on Metafilter, with links to MSM stories/review on the book: http://www.metafilter.com/71648/Now-Get-Off-of-My-Lawn
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