Google scares me again
When Google aggregates different social software types, how is it going to handle the different amounts/kinds of disclosure that the different softwares now permit/forbid. Will it encompass Business software such as Visible Path, Linked In or (cursed be its name), Plaxo. Barry Wellman _______________________________________________________________________ S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman For fun -- updating songs, movies and history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php Elvis wouldn't be singing Return to Sender these days _______________________________________________________________________
oh... it could be worse Spock.com is a search engine that is predicated somewhat on the unity of identity of people. It ties in as much of your publicly available info as it can into a profile:) On Jul 8, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
When Google aggregates different social software types, how is it going to handle the different amounts/kinds of disclosure that the different softwares now permit/forbid. Will it encompass Business software such as Visible Path, Linked In or (cursed be its name), Plaxo.
Barry Wellman
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S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman For fun -- updating songs, movies and history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php Elvis wouldn't be singing Return to Sender these days
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This is such a pertinent area of discussion. On Project Red Stripe (the Economist's internet innovation unit) we were looking at many different areas where we could develop services, and the magic really happens when you start aggregating the data of individuals. The psychological profiling of users will happen in the not too different future, I believe. It will be able to serve you exactly the content/people/job opportunities you like (think Last.fm but for everything) but it is also *somewhat* of an ethical minefield. On 7/8/07, Jeremy Hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> wrote:
oh... it could be worse Spock.com is a search engine that is predicated somewhat on the unity of identity of people. It ties in as much of your publicly available info as it can into a profile:)
On Jul 8, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
When Google aggregates different social software types, how is it going to handle the different amounts/kinds of disclosure that the different softwares now permit/forbid. Will it encompass Business software such as Visible Path, Linked In or (cursed be its name), Plaxo.
Barry Wellman
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S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman For fun -- updating songs, movies and history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php Elvis wouldn't be singing Return to Sender these days
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Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I think psychological profiling of users based online habits is a tad more problematic than just "somewhat" of an ethical minefield. Microsoft recently announced their hopes to do something similar: http://michaelzimmer.org/2007/05/23/msft-wants-to-identify-all-web- surfers-based-on-surfing-habits/ One wonders if any part of one's earthly existence will remain untouched by those wanting to track, capture, aggregate, and profile... -mz ----- Michael Zimmer, PhD Microsoft Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School e: michael.zimmer@nyu.edu w: http://michaelzimmer.org On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Tom Shelley wrote:
This is such a pertinent area of discussion. On Project Red Stripe (the Economist's internet innovation unit) we were looking at many different areas where we could develop services, and the magic really happens when you start aggregating the data of individuals. The psychological profiling of users will happen in the not too different future, I believe. It will be able to serve you exactly the content/people/job opportunities you like (think Last.fm but for everything) but it is also *somewhat* of an ethical minefield.
On 7/8/07, Jeremy Hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu> wrote:
oh... it could be worse Spock.com is a search engine that is predicated somewhat on the unity of identity of people. It ties in as much of your publicly available info as it can into a profile:)
On Jul 8, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
When Google aggregates different social software types, how is it going to handle the different amounts/kinds of disclosure that the different softwares now permit/forbid. Will it encompass Business software such as Visible Path, Linked In or (cursed be its name), Plaxo.
Barry Wellman
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S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax: +1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/ ~wellman For fun -- updating songs, movies and history: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php Elvis wouldn't be singing Return to Sender these days
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Perhaps I'm new-fashioned, but I like targeted communications based on mined data. There's always been tracking, capturing, aggregating, and profiling - it's just getting better executed, and somewhat better documented, each of which is arguably a boon. -e
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l- bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Michael Zimmer Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:40 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Google scares me again
Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I think psychological profiling of users based online habits is a tad more problematic than just "somewhat" of an ethical minefield.
Microsoft recently announced their hopes to do something similar: http://michaelzimmer.org/2007/05/23/msft-wants-to-identify-all-web- surfers-based-on-surfing-habits/
One wonders if any part of one's earthly existence will remain untouched by those wanting to track, capture, aggregate, and profile...
-mz
Hi Ellis - Well, it is convenient when my grocer tracks my purchases through my frequent shopper card so I can count on certain items remaining in stock (assuming I'm not the only one buying them). And perhaps it is helpful for Google to provide an advertisement for digital cameras if I search for "Olympus Stylus". That's using particular bits of my activities in order to taylor a particular service to me. But it's a difference in kind when my activities that were previously dispersed across various products, services, and locations can be tracked an aggregated into a single source. And it's also a difference in kind when that information is processed in order to create some kind of psychological profile of what kind of a person I am (not just what beer I buy or what I happen to be searching for that day). Who knows what kind of decisions might be made based on such an attempt to profile my psyche. (I'm thinking of issues raised in: Bowker & Star's "Sorting Things Out: Classification and its Consequences", Gandy's "The Panoptic Sort: A Political Economy of Personal Information," and Lyon's "Surveillance as Social Sorting: Privacy, Risk, and Digital Discrimination" ) And I have yet to see any documentation from companies such as Google outlining precisely what information about me they collect, how it might be aggregated across their products & services, and what kind of processing they perform with said data, and with whom it has been shared with. The typical "privacy policy" is purposefully vague on such details. -mz ----- Michael Zimmer, PhD Microsoft Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law School e: michael.zimmer@nyu.edu w: http://michaelzimmer.org On Jul 10, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Ellis Godard wrote:
Perhaps I'm new-fashioned, but I like targeted communications based on mined data. There's always been tracking, capturing, aggregating, and profiling - it's just getting better executed, and somewhat better documented, each of which is arguably a boon. -e
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l- bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Michael Zimmer Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:40 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Google scares me again
Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I think psychological profiling of users based online habits is a tad more problematic than just "somewhat" of an ethical minefield.
Microsoft recently announced their hopes to do something similar: http://michaelzimmer.org/2007/05/23/msft-wants-to-identify-all-web- surfers-based-on-surfing-habits/
One wonders if any part of one's earthly existence will remain untouched by those wanting to track, capture, aggregate, and profile...
-mz
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Tom Shelley