concerns about new biblio programs
I'm a little concerned about people getting involved in bibliographic programs which might not be supported in a few years, Open Source or not. Our investment in building our bibliographies tend to cumulate. That's why I stick with Endnote, despite its propietary nature. Even after being bought by ISI, it seems to have staying power. And with my 16K items in my bibliography, I'd hate to have to re-enter. Or am I missing something? Cheers, Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________ Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________
I have been using Endnote off and on for six or seven years. It was never that great, but bibliographic management is one of those applications that often has lock-in, and Endnote is not an exception here. Endnote does allow exporting and importing in a number of formats, though (and I haven't tried this lately), it doesn't make the process easy. If you are going for staying power, and interoperability, it strikes me that any system that can import and export to BibTeX should work fine. In other words, the only systems you really have to be wary of are those that keep your data in a proprietary format, and it strikes me that open source products are less likely to go that route than many proprietary systems. Like with email clients, the danger of lock-in has more to do with how open the record system is than it does with how open the application itself is. - Alex On 10/24/06, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about people getting involved in bibliographic programs which might not be supported in a few years, Open Source or not.
Our investment in building our bibliographies tend to cumulate.
That's why I stick with Endnote, despite its propietary nature. Even after being bought by ISI, it seems to have staying power. And with my 16K items in my bibliography, I'd hate to have to re-enter.
Or am I missing something?
Cheers, Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________
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Alex Halavais wrote:
If you are going for staying power, and interoperability, it strikes me that any system that can import and export to BibTeX should work fine. In other words, the only systems you really have to be wary of are those that keep your data in a proprietary format, and it strikes me that open source products are less likely to go that route than many proprietary systems. Like with email clients, the danger of lock-in has more to do with how open the record system is than it does with how open the application itself is.
On that point, harking back to RefDB (http://refdb.sourceforge.net), it imports and exports BibTeX and in fact I use a BibTex manager (BibDesk) on Mac OS X as the front end to store my references rather than using RefDB's rather clunky command-line, Emacs-based or Web-based interfaces. The combination works well. -- Jeremy Malcolm LLB (Hons) B Com Internet and Open Source lawyer, IT consultant, actor host -t NAPTR 1.0.8.0.3.1.2.9.8.1.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
Just a little shout out for Biblioscape, which I've used for almost seven years. It was more fully featured (inc. integrated notes, tasks, et al.) when I hopped on board, though Endnote may have caught up. Also, at least at the time, it seemed more intuitive and customizable.
-----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Alex Halavais Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:20 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs
I have been using Endnote off and on for six or seven years. It was never that great, but bibliographic management is one of those applications that often has lock-in, and Endnote is not an exception here. Endnote does allow exporting and importing in a number of formats, though (and I haven't tried this lately), it doesn't make the process easy.
If you are going for staying power, and interoperability, it strikes me that any system that can import and export to BibTeX should work fine. In other words, the only systems you really have to be wary of are those that keep your data in a proprietary format, and it strikes me that open source products are less likely to go that route than many proprietary systems. Like with email clients, the danger of lock-in has more to do with how open the record system is than it does with how open the application itself is.
- Alex
On 10/24/06, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about people getting involved in bibliographic programs which might not be supported in a few years, Open Source or not.
Our investment in building our bibliographies tend to cumulate.
That's why I stick with Endnote, despite its propietary nature. Even after being bought by ISI, it seems to have staying power. And with my 16K items in my bibliography, I'd hate to have to re-enter.
Or am I missing something?
Cheers, Barry Wellman
_____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology
NetLab Director
Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php
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Regarding Endnote. I'm using version X of endnote and just finishing up my dissertation (actually I finished all the suggestions of my major advisor about twenty minutes ago) I found Endnote to be very helpful but it does have some quirks like occasionally leaving the first letter of an author's same in the inline ref when it should not. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Alex Halavais Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:20 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs I have been using Endnote off and on for six or seven years. It was never that great, but bibliographic management is one of those applications that often has lock-in, and Endnote is not an exception here. Endnote does allow exporting and importing in a number of formats, though (and I haven't tried this lately), it doesn't make the process easy. If you are going for staying power, and interoperability, it strikes me that any system that can import and export to BibTeX should work fine. In other words, the only systems you really have to be wary of are those that keep your data in a proprietary format, and it strikes me that open source products are less likely to go that route than many proprietary systems. Like with email clients, the danger of lock-in has more to do with how open the record system is than it does with how open the application itself is. - Alex On 10/24/06, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about people getting involved in bibliographic programs which might not be supported in a few years, Open Source or not.
Our investment in building our bibliographies tend to cumulate.
That's why I stick with Endnote, despite its propietary nature. Even after being bought by ISI, it seems to have staying power. And with my 16K items in my bibliography, I'd hate to have to re-enter.
Or am I missing something?
Cheers, Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________
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Hi, To fix your endnote problem you should choose Edit->Output styles ->Edit "yourstyle" menu Then click on the "Ambiguous citations". Uncheck the "Include the author initials or full name in citation" option Gilad ------------------------------------------------------ Gilad Ravid, Ph.D. USC Annenberg Center for Communication- Office: 213-743-2303 Mobile: 213-239-4251 http://www.ravid.org/gilad/ -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Balch Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:22 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; alex@halavais.net Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs Regarding Endnote. I'm using version X of endnote and just finishing up my dissertation (actually I finished all the suggestions of my major advisor about twenty minutes ago) I found Endnote to be very helpful but it does have some quirks like occasionally leaving the first letter of an author's same in the inline ref when it should not. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Alex Halavais Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:20 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs I have been using Endnote off and on for six or seven years. It was never that great, but bibliographic management is one of those applications that often has lock-in, and Endnote is not an exception here. Endnote does allow exporting and importing in a number of formats, though (and I haven't tried this lately), it doesn't make the process easy. If you are going for staying power, and interoperability, it strikes me that any system that can import and export to BibTeX should work fine. In other words, the only systems you really have to be wary of are those that keep your data in a proprietary format, and it strikes me that open source products are less likely to go that route than many proprietary systems. Like with email clients, the danger of lock-in has more to do with how open the record system is than it does with how open the application itself is. - Alex On 10/24/06, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about people getting involved in bibliographic programs which might not be supported in a few years, Open Source or not.
Our investment in building our bibliographies tend to cumulate.
That's why I stick with Endnote, despite its propietary nature. Even after being bought by ISI, it seems to have staying power. And with my 16K items in my bibliography, I'd hate to have to re-enter.
Or am I missing something?
Cheers, Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________
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Thanks Gilad, that is exactly what Endnote support told me to do and it did not work. I suspect that it has something to do with my keeping more than one tale of refs which endnote says not to do even though they provide the capability. I've learned to live with correcting the bad citations when they come and the program is otherwise wonderful. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Gilad Ravid Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:32 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; alex@halavais.net Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs Hi, To fix your endnote problem you should choose Edit->Output styles ->Edit "yourstyle" menu Then click on the "Ambiguous citations". Uncheck the "Include the author initials or full name in citation" option Gilad ------------------------------------------------------ Gilad Ravid, Ph.D. USC Annenberg Center for Communication- Office: 213-743-2303 Mobile: 213-239-4251 http://www.ravid.org/gilad/ -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Balch Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:22 AM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org; alex@halavais.net Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs Regarding Endnote. I'm using version X of endnote and just finishing up my dissertation (actually I finished all the suggestions of my major advisor about twenty minutes ago) I found Endnote to be very helpful but it does have some quirks like occasionally leaving the first letter of an author's same in the inline ref when it should not. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Alex Halavais Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:20 PM To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: aoir list Subject: Re: [Air-l] concerns about new biblio programs I have been using Endnote off and on for six or seven years. It was never that great, but bibliographic management is one of those applications that often has lock-in, and Endnote is not an exception here. Endnote does allow exporting and importing in a number of formats, though (and I haven't tried this lately), it doesn't make the process easy. If you are going for staying power, and interoperability, it strikes me that any system that can import and export to BibTeX should work fine. In other words, the only systems you really have to be wary of are those that keep your data in a proprietary format, and it strikes me that open source products are less likely to go that route than many proprietary systems. Like with email clients, the danger of lock-in has more to do with how open the record system is than it does with how open the application itself is. - Alex On 10/24/06, Barry Wellman <wellman@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about people getting involved in bibliographic programs which might not be supported in a few years, Open Source or not.
Our investment in building our bibliographies tend to cumulate.
That's why I stick with Endnote, despite its propietary nature. Even after being bought by ISI, it seems to have staying power. And with my 16K items in my bibliography, I'd hate to have to re-enter.
Or am I missing something?
Cheers, Barry Wellman _____________________________________________________________________
Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php _____________________________________________________________________
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Jeremy Malcolm -
Ulf-Dietrich Reips