Down to the Wire http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faessay84311/thomas-bleha/down-to-the-... Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life. Miraj Khaled ============ techiemik@yahoo.com mindexplorer.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life? -eg
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Down to the Wire http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faessay84311/thomas-bleh a/down-to-the-wire.html
Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life. Miraj Khaled ============ techiemik@yahoo.com mindexplorer.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The Air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Pew Internet suggests that broadband increases the frequency and range of Internet use. Unfortunately, with an increase in range of use, it is harder to say that simply using the technology has a particular impact. People could fall into "user profiles" so that how they use the technology could determine the effect they experience. There is little research that deals with this issue that has been published to date, but there is some and, I suppose (hope), a lot more is in the works. United States has been behind South Korea in deploying broadband for several years though. Why is falling behind Japan a bigger deal? Irina Ellis Godard wrote:
Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life?
-eg
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Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life.
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Interesting you should say that. I've just been writing up some research for a client and that was one of the questions I had... However, as I dug deeper it got more interesting... All the rhetoric shouts 'broadband good, dial up bad' but the punter, it seems remains unconvinced. Certainly here in New Zealand we had very high levels of Internet adoption with dial-up, which have now levelled off somewhere around the average post-industrial level (who knows what it really is as every shiny marketer and politician gives you a different number and none are plausible). However, our broadband uptake is very low - somewhere between about 7 and 10%. Research is indicating that the reason for this is not cost (it costs double but doesn't tie up a phone line, so it's the same cost of dialup plus a second line) or access (about 95% of NZ population has broadband access if you include satellite options). No, the 'problem' is us - the stupid user - we simply don't see sufficient value in having a broadband connection. It must be the warm summer we've had but the Emperor is parading around unclad. And nothing the ISPs and TelCo's can do - even down to free install and free adsl modem - is changing our minds. The uptake remains very slow. Are we competetively disadvantaged by this. According to NZ Trade and Enterprise (the govt department leading the ideological charge for all things ICT or biotech), yes. According to our current trade statistics... Er.... No. Andy -----Original Message----- From: air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Ellis Godard Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:37 To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Cc: 'Digital Divide Network'; 'AOIR' Subject: RE: [Air-l] Down to the Wire Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life? -eg
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Down to the Wire http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faessay84311/thomas-bleh a/down-to-the-wire.html
Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life. Miraj Khaled ============ techiemik@yahoo.com mindexplorer.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The Air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-l-aoir.org@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
Interesting you say "down to...". Without the free install and free modem (both standard for virtually any DSL service in the US, and has been the case for years, if not from the start of the DSL explosion), DSL probably wouldn't have taken off in the US as it did. But, as you also implied, lowering cost is not sufficient to attract folks. They need to see the value of speed itself, and what it gets them. -eg
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No, the 'problem' is us - the stupid user - we simply don't see sufficient value in having a broadband connection. It must be the warm summer we've had but the Emperor is parading around unclad. And nothing the ISPs and TelCo's can do - even down to free install and free adsl modem - is changing our minds. The uptake remains very slow.
Andy, On May 3, 2005, at 2:51 AM, Andy Williamson wrote:
Interesting you should say that. I've just been writing up some research for a client and that was one of the questions I had... However, as I dug deeper it got more interesting...
All the rhetoric shouts 'broadband good, dial up bad' but the punter, it seems remains unconvinced. Certainly here in New Zealand we had very high levels of Internet adoption with dial-up, which have now levelled off somewhere around the average post-industrial level (who knows what it really is as every shiny marketer and politician gives you a different number and none are plausible).
However, our broadband uptake is very low - somewhere between about 7 and 10%. Research is indicating that the reason for this is not cost (it costs double but doesn't tie up a phone line, so it's the same cost of dialup plus a second line) or access (about 95% of NZ population has broadband access if you include satellite options).
Is broadband 'metered' in NZ? One would expect that to be a clear reason for slow uptake of broadband, where the drivers are music, movies and games. Or if those aren't drivers, per se, they are certainly the majority of use. In any case the research is clear, people dislike metered services, perhaps it is a cognitive boundedness thing, we like to make a decision once rather than as we try to work/play. eg http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/pricing.architecture.pdf If you pay per the liter for water, do you really want a big hose---unless there is a fire?
No, the 'problem' is us - the stupid user - we simply don't see sufficient value in having a broadband connection. It must be the warm summer we've had but the Emperor is parading around unclad. And nothing the ISPs and TelCo's can do - even down to free install and free adsl modem - is changing our minds. The uptake remains very slow.
Are we competetively disadvantaged by this. According to NZ Trade and Enterprise (the govt department leading the ideological charge for all things ICT or biotech), yes. According to our current trade statistics... Er.... No.
The computer game industry in Korea is huge, and it seems reasonable to say that without such an effective broadband roll-out it wouldn't be. Do the NZ trade statistics count the growing market in virtual goods ;) --J
Andy
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Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life?
-eg
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Down to the Wire http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faessay84311/thomas-bleh a/down-to-the-wire.html
Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life.
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Is broadband 'metered' in NZ? One would expect that to be a clear reason for slow uptake of broadband, where the drivers are music, movies and games. Or if those aren't drivers, per se, they are certainly the majority of use.
It is to a degree and I suspect this is a factor (as dial up is not metered). But, I don't think it would turn out to be a major as the broadband packages here tend to be capped and then pay per additional Mb, rather than straight metering. Typical plans are 2-3Gb, 5Gb and 10Gb per month - which is a decent amount of downloading for most users. The other regulator is speed - lower cost plans are also restricted in terms of performance, which of course could negate the perceived benefit. One could probably argue that heavy users such as gamers would still rather pay than cruise along on a slower connection. It would be interesting to look at broadband uptake (or lack of) by type of use (home business, family, gamers etc). Andy
I hope we've all read Mosco's "The Digital Sublime" and Hughes' "Human-Built World". (Why we think "better tech = better life".) Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for my flying car... On May 3, 2005, at 2:36 AM, Ellis Godard wrote:
Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life?
-eg
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Down to the Wire http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050501faessay84311/thomas-bleh a/down-to-the-wire.html
Summary: Once a leader in Internet innovation, the United States has fallen far behind Japan and other Asian states in deploying broadband and the latest mobile-phone technology. This lag will cost it dearly. By outdoing the United States, Japan and its neighbors are positioning themselves to be the first states to reap the benefits of the broadband era: economic growth, increased productivity, and a better quality of life.
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On 3 May 2005, at 07:36, Ellis Godard wrote:
Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life?
Not yet at the 'everyday life' level. There may have been macro- economic studies.... There is some evidence that it makes little difference to people's lives in the short to medium (6-12 months) term. This is from longitudinal studies of people who switch from narrow to broadband carried out in 6 'European' countries by the e-Living project. That said we found a negative effect on 'perceived quality of life' in Norway for those who switched. Probably a spurious result :-) Rich sent the url yesterday - http://www.eurescom.de/e-living. Some of the results are now finding their way out into the literature. Like many others the Pew report Irina mentions uses one-off cross- sectional data from which it is merely apparent that early bb users are 'different' - it says rather less about how bb might make a _difference_ to everyday life. If it does. Our work suggests that bb users were heavier net users/online buyers etc before they switched - so the cross-sectional results probably reflect this. We hope to have a draft chapter out any day on this. IMHO the key is evolution not revolution - most people's lives are quite tightly run with little scope for revolutionary shifts in time or behaviour. So we should not expect to see or measure 'impacts' at this micro time scale. Its like the fossil record (look up 'punctuated equilibrium') - from close up in time life changes little, from a way off in time it looks like revolutionary change. re Quality of Life specifically there is a huge amount of rhetoric in the EU now with respect to this concept and ICT (and especially broadband). I'd direct you to the e-Europe agenda and the current EU IST/ICT research programmes. As part of that the project Rich mentioned (SOCQUIT) is looking specifically at quality of life and ICTs. The threads that might link these are quite tenuous. We're developing the 'ICTs -> social capital <- ICTs -> quality of life' argument but equally if broadband creates new (better?) jobs then that counts as better 'quality of life' for the EU! Ben ---- Dr Ben Anderson Chimera, University of Essex, UK t: +44 (0) 7710 187 806 f: +44 (0) 1473 614 936 http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~benander
replying to myself. Bad form. But I missed off this ref which neatly points out the low quality thinking in policy (and some academic) circles on these issues and gives a timely review of the evidence there is: Firth, L. and D. Mellor (2005). "Broadband: benefits and problems." Telecommunications Policy 29(2-3): 223-236. On 4 May 2005, at 10:10, Ben Anderson wrote:
On 3 May 2005, at 07:36, Ellis Godard wrote:
Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life?
Not yet at the 'everyday life' level. There may have been macro- economic studies....
I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned Bob Crandell's study from a few years ago: "The $500 Billion Opportunity: The Potential Economic Benefit of Widespread Diffusion of Broadband Internet Access," http://www.criterioneconomics.com/docs/Crandall_Jackson_500_Billion_Opportun... Lon Berquist berquist@uts.cc.utexas.edu Quoting Ben Anderson <benander@essex.ac.uk>:
replying to myself. Bad form. But I missed off this ref which neatly points out the low quality thinking in policy (and some academic) circles on these issues and gives a timely review of the evidence there is:
Firth, L. and D. Mellor (2005). "Broadband: benefits and problems." Telecommunications Policy 29(2-3): 223-236.
On 4 May 2005, at 10:10, Ben Anderson wrote:
On 3 May 2005, at 07:36, Ellis Godard wrote:
Eh... Is there good data (heck, *any* data) that broadband increases growth, productivity, or quality of life?
Not yet at the 'everyday life' level. There may have been macro- economic studies....
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