Inclusion of short links in academic publications?
Hello all, I was wondering what your thoughts were concerning the use of shortened URLs (e.g. tinyURL, bit.ly etc.) to reference electronic sources in a dissertation or other academic publication (along with the title, date, etc. possibly an annexe with the long URL). Has this been done already? Is it acceptable? Are there important differences between various shortening sites? Thank you, Yana --------------------- Yana BREINDL Ph.D Candidate Dépt des sciences de l'information et de la communication (SIC) Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Tél.: + 32 (0)2 650 44 46 E-mail: ybreindl@ulb.ac.be
On Friday, July 22, 2011, yana breindl wrote:
I was wondering what your thoughts were concerning the use of shortened URLs (e.g. tinyURL, bit.ly etc.) to reference electronic sources in a dissertation or other academic publication (along with the title, date, etc. possibly an annexe with the long URL). Has this been done already? Is it acceptable? Are there important differences between various shortening sites?
I think it inappropriate. Who knows how long such sites last and with the original URL one can always make use of various cache or archives sites (Way Back Machine) to try to recover things. Plus, you don't mention what the possible benefit is...?
Plus, you don't mention what the possible benefit is...? Impact of sources and tracking distribution of papers would come immediately to my mind
Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> schrieb am 22.07.2011 um 13:42 in Nachricht <201107220742.13053.joseph.2011@reagle.org>: On Friday, July 22, 2011, yana breindl wrote: I was wondering what your thoughts were concerning the use of shortened URLs (e.g. tinyURL, bit.ly etc.) to reference electronic sources in a dissertation or other academic publication (along with the title, date, etc. possibly an annexe with the long URL). Has this been done already? Is it acceptable? Are there important differences between various shortening sites?
I think it inappropriate. Who knows how long such sites last and with the original URL one can always make use of various cache or archives sites (Way Back Machine) to try to recover things. Plus, you don't mention what the possible benefit is...?
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On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
Plus, you don't mention what the possible benefit is...? Impact of sources and tracking distribution of papers would come immediately to my mind
I don't follow, could you explain?
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service) * If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal. * If it is an online-publication, you can track how useful your readers estimate your sources by how often they were clicked. It may also give you a clue that either your reasoning was not clear enough and required the reader to follow a link or that the topic of your reference is very interesting to the reader(s). * You are also able to track down the countries the clicks come from (for what it's worth) Web marketing applied to science.
Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> schrieb am 22.07.2011 um 15:44 in Nachricht <201107220944.15949.joseph.2011@reagle.org>: On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote: Plus, you don't mention what the possible benefit is...? Impact of sources and tracking distribution of papers would come immediately to my mind
I don't follow, could you explain?
On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there. As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs.
The biggest disadvantage to shortlinks is that they are essentially unarchivable. When I go to an older journal article that has a URL, the chances are very good that the URL is dead, and if it isn't dead, that the content is no longer anything near the original. With the original URL and a date, I can at least give a shot at the Wayback Machine. It's unlikely that it's been captured, but far more likely than if it's via a shortener. There have been both crowd-sourced and commercial efforts to "back up" the major shortening services (e.g., http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=52&articleid=20090... ), but that seems to be a Herculean/Sisyphean task (i.e., akin to digging up a lot of manure and trying to roll it up a hill.) - Alex On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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This is the biggest reason. You want to be as close to original source as possible, and short urls are unarchivable. Academic research and writing is meant to stand the test of time - otherwise, just go become a blogger. ;) Sharon Greenfield @SharonG On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Alex Halavais wrote:
The biggest disadvantage to shortlinks is that they are essentially unarchivable. When I go to an older journal article that has a URL, the chances are very good that the URL is dead, and if it isn't dead, that the content is no longer anything near the original. With the original URL and a date, I can at least give a shot at the Wayback Machine. It's unlikely that it's been captured, but far more likely than if it's via a shortener.
There have been both crowd-sourced and commercial efforts to "back up" the major shortening services (e.g., http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=52&articleid=20090... ), but that seems to be a Herculean/Sisyphean task (i.e., akin to digging up a lot of manure and trying to roll it up a hill.)
- Alex
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Dear Johan - At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well. Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff. bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators. Cheers, Denise Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human Sciences Exhibitor, Art in Chemistry, NeXT Gallery, Magellan St., Lismore, Opening Thursday 18 August 18 5-7 PM, On display 8-26 August, 2011 Lismore NSW AUSTRALIA Mobile +(61)(0)438 233344 Fax +(61)(0)2 6624 5380 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/ --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving service? http://www.webcitation.org/faq They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea. However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I guess that's been said before! Cheers Monica On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Johan -
At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well.
Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
Cheers, Denise
Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human Sciences Exhibitor, Art in Chemistry, NeXT Gallery, Magellan St., Lismore, Opening Thursday 18 August 18 5-7 PM, On display 8-26 August, 2011 Lismore NSW AUSTRALIA Mobile +(61)(0)438 233344 Fax +(61)(0)2 6624 5380 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Ironically, the link doesn't work for me - Time out. Albeit the idea is appealing! I still think it's a good idea to work with short links for ease of readability and facilitate manual entry of web addresses in a browser. A corresponding short - to - longlist in the appendix of the paper should be enough for a wayback machine. A short-url service specifically for acedemic research would also be a great starter for collaborative url collection, but I am digressing ... Johann
Monica Barratt <tronica@gmail.com> schrieb am 26.07.2011 um 14:09 in Nachricht <CAF9Ekp1j_i6853QXnixKN3A6upFO1z63+caW0Sc24aZr0Q75Yg@mail.gmail.com>: Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving service? http://www.webcitation.org/faq
They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea. However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I guess that's been said before!
Cheers Monica
On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Johan -
At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well.
Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
Cheers, Denise
Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human Sciences Exhibitor, Art in Chemistry, NeXT Gallery, Magellan St., Lismore, Opening Thursday 18 August 18 5-7 PM, On display 8-26 August, 2011 Lismore NSW AUSTRALIA Mobile +(61)(0)438 233344 Fax +(61)(0)2 6624 5380 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Colleagues, I have been following this thread with interest and I feel it's time to contribute. I think it's interesting if a standard evolved on how short links should be used within academic research. I recall a recent case for a conference where a colleague of mine included short links in his paper to see what the reviewers would say. Not surprisingly, the reviewers told him to include full links as references would not look reliable in the eyes of a reader. To me, this was not a strong argument. Plus, a previous writer said that we don't know how long sites such as bit.ly last or if they disappear over time. This as well is not a good argument because the same risk exist with every full link included in a paper. There is of course a difference between a paper that is completely based on bit.ly and a paper that only contain one bit.ly-link. The former will become less referenced over time as none of it's references work which won't allow researchers to verify the content. However, I'm for short link services and specifically one that is aimed at the academic community and financed by it. I want to bring to your attention that there is a software which allows anyone to create short links. It's called.. yes, you guessed it: Shorty. Website information here: http://get-shorty.com Live demo here: http://get-shorty.com/live In line with what Johann expressed, I would be happy to initiate together with others a service like this for researchers that would not just allow the creation of short links, but also collaboration of references. Kind regards, Montathar -- Montathar Faraon PhD Candidate Södertörn University School of Communication, Media and Information Technology Alfred Nobels allé 7 S-141 89 Huddinge Sweden Telephone: +46 (0)8 - 608 40 82 Fax: +46 (0)8 - 608 42 10 Mobile: +46 (0)73 - 566 97 27 Skype: kexxcream On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Johann Hoechtl < Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> wrote:
Ironically, the link doesn't work for me - Time out.
Albeit the idea is appealing! I still think it's a good idea to work with short links for ease of readability and facilitate manual entry of web addresses in a browser. A corresponding short - to - longlist in the appendix of the paper should be enough for a wayback machine.
A short-url service specifically for acedemic research would also be a great starter for collaborative url collection, but I am digressing ...
Johann
Monica Barratt <tronica@gmail.com> schrieb am 26.07.2011 um 14:09 in Nachricht <CAF9Ekp1j_i6853QXnixKN3A6upFO1z63+caW0Sc24aZr0Q75Yg@mail.gmail.com>: Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving service? http://www.webcitation.org/faq
They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea. However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I guess that's been said before!
Cheers Monica
On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Johan -
At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well.
Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
Cheers, Denise
Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human Sciences Exhibitor, Art in Chemistry, NeXT Gallery, Magellan St., Lismore, Opening Thursday 18 August 18 5-7 PM, On display 8-26 August, 2011 Lismore NSW AUSTRALIA Mobile +(61)(0)438 233344 Fax +(61)(0)2 6624 5380 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, Montathar Faraon wrote:
Plus, a previous writer said that we don't know how long sites such as bit.ly last or if they disappear over time. This as well is not a good argument because the same risk exist with every full link included in a paper.
But as I noted before, it's a distributed risk over N sites.
There is of course a difference between a paper that is completely based on bit.ly and a paper that only contain one bit.ly-link. The former will become less referenced over time as none of it's references work which won't allow researchers to verify the content.
I'll also note that we are treading on trampled ground in a way as it is a reprise of the DOI, URI, URL, URN, URC, and PURL battles from the 90s. When I was at the W3C, we worked on a lot of issues for ourselves [1] and ending up making an institutional commitment to maintain our URIs [2]. Of course, the W3C might not last forever, but we also roped in our hosts, and it is unlikely that MIT, ERCIM, and Keio would all disappear. The OCLC was behind PURL, but I don't know to what extent it is used... [1]: http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri [2]: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence
Please, do not use shortened links in academic publications: this removes so much valuable information. To help your reader, provide an online copy of your bibliography (and track clicks from there if you must) -- both of the Web and non-Web materials. AOIR should speak out loudly *against* so-called "citation formats" such as MLA's which do not require a URL for native web formats. When dealing with shortened URLs that have broken -- or if you want to contribute to the archiving effort, check the Archive Team's project on shortened URLs: http://urlte.am -Jodi On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Johann Hoechtl < Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> wrote:
Ironically, the link doesn't work for me - Time out.
Albeit the idea is appealing! I still think it's a good idea to work with short links for ease of readability and facilitate manual entry of web addresses in a browser. A corresponding short - to - longlist in the appendix of the paper should be enough for a wayback machine.
A short-url service specifically for acedemic research would also be a great starter for collaborative url collection, but I am digressing ...
Johann
Monica Barratt <tronica@gmail.com> schrieb am 26.07.2011 um 14:09 in Nachricht <CAF9Ekp1j_i6853QXnixKN3A6upFO1z63+caW0Sc24aZr0Q75Yg@mail.gmail.com>: Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving service? http://www.webcitation.org/faq
They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea. However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I guess that's been said before!
Cheers Monica
On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Johan -
At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well.
Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
Cheers, Denise
Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human Sciences Exhibitor, Art in Chemistry, NeXT Gallery, Magellan St., Lismore, Opening Thursday 18 August 18 5-7 PM, On display 8-26 August, 2011 Lismore NSW AUSTRALIA Mobile +(61)(0)438 233344 Fax +(61)(0)2 6624 5380 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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I'm talking more about newspaper articles, eg. I've archived the following newspaper article using webcitation: Herald Sun. (2007, December 11). Anger at drug taking, arrests and overdoses at rave. Reported by G. McArthur. Archived at http://www.webcitation.org/5w2LaSZs7 So I'm never using shortened URLs to 'remove information' or on their own. Rather I'm adding additional information and providing a stable link to the archived source. However, if webcitation is not around in 10 years, people can still use traditional search techniques with news databases to locate the article. I wouldn't do this with references to websites where the web address is the only information available about the source. Any opinions on this sort of use? Monica On 26 July 2011 23:47, Jodi Schneider <jschneider@pobox.com> wrote:
Please, do not use shortened links in academic publications: this removes so much valuable information. To help your reader, provide an online copy of your bibliography (and track clicks from there if you must) -- both of the Web and non-Web materials.
AOIR should speak out loudly *against* so-called "citation formats" such as MLA's which do not require a URL for native web formats. When dealing with shortened URLs that have broken -- or if you want to contribute to the archiving effort, check the Archive Team's project on shortened URLs: http://urlte.am -Jodi
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Johann Hoechtl <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> wrote:
Ironically, the link doesn't work for me - Time out.
Albeit the idea is appealing! I still think it's a good idea to work with short links for ease of readability and facilitate manual entry of web addresses in a browser. A corresponding short - to - longlist in the appendix of the paper should be enough for a wayback machine.
A short-url service specifically for acedemic research would also be a great starter for collaborative url collection, but I am digressing ...
Johann
Monica Barratt <tronica@gmail.com> schrieb am 26.07.2011 um 14:09 in Nachricht <CAF9Ekp1j_i6853QXnixKN3A6upFO1z63+caW0Sc24aZr0Q75Yg@mail.gmail.com>: Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving service? http://www.webcitation.org/faq
They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea. However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I guess that's been said before!
Cheers Monica
On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Johan -
At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well.
Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
Cheers, Denise
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--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote:
If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
* If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Hi Monica & all, On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Monica Barratt <tronica@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm talking more about newspaper articles, eg.
I've archived the following newspaper article using webcitation: Herald Sun. (2007, December 11). Anger at drug taking, arrests and overdoses at rave. Reported by G. McArthur. Archived at http://www.webcitation.org/5w2LaSZs7
To call this a "shortened URL" is incorrect and misleading. Rather, it's a third-party copy of a webpage, at a new URL. Here's my suggestion: McArthur, Grant. (2007, December 11). Anger at drug taking, arrests and overdoses at rave: A 5000-STRONG rave party at Kryal Castle turned into a war zone at the weekend when 14 people overdosed on drugs. *Herald Sun* (Melbourne, Australia): News section. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/kryal-castle-rave-a-war-zone/story... Archived at http://www.webcitation.org/5w2LaSZs7 This: (1) Adds the subtitle* for more context and easier searching. There is often a mismatch between headlines in online and print editions, which can make searching in Lexis-Nexis, ProQuest, etc. challenging. *A 5000-STRONG rave party at Kryal Castle turned into a war zone at the weekend when 14 people overdosed on drugs. (2) Includes more details about the source: publisher location and section number (3) Use the author's full name (it certainly helps in web search engines) [where do you get "reported" from, by the way?] and uses more typical author/publisher distinction (4) Includes the original URL.This helps find the original (e.g. if webcitation goes away). http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/kryal-castle-rave-a-war-zone/story... Personally, I have trained myself to parse and read URLs like this, and I find they often give abundant contextual information. From this URL, I learn several things: (1) The newspaper is in Australia (there's no way I personally would guess that from "Herald Sun", though I guess searching would imply that) (2) The newspaper classifies this article as *news* relating to *Victoria* (which has meaning to me in an .au) (3) the story has something to do with a rave, kryal castle, and a war zone This info is redundant is mostly included my version of the citation (which is good: citations are a place where redundancy is useful for crosschecking). Yet the URL does something else: it provides a way for the reader to get to the original source, even if webcitation is gone. Even if the original is gone, archives (such as archive.org) are based on the URL. Of course, it is long to type -- but the persistent reader will do that if needed. And you can help such a reader by providing an online version of your bibliography. :)
So I'm never using shortened URLs to 'remove information' or on their own. Rather I'm adding additional information and providing a stable link to the archived source. However, if webcitation is not around in 10 years, people can still use traditional search techniques with news databases to locate the article.
I wouldn't do this with references to websites where the web address is the only information available about the source.
Any opinions on this sort of use?
Your intentions are good, your implementation is reasonable, and this is *very* different from "URL shortening". But include the original URL, too: it still benefits the reader. -Jodi
Monica
On 26 July 2011 23:47, Jodi Schneider <jschneider@pobox.com> wrote:
Please, do not use shortened links in academic publications: this removes so much valuable information. To help your reader, provide an online copy of your bibliography (and track clicks from there if you must) -- both of the Web and non-Web materials.
AOIR should speak out loudly *against* so-called "citation formats" such as MLA's which do not require a URL for native web formats. When dealing with shortened URLs that have broken -- or if you want to contribute to the archiving effort, check the Archive Team's project on shortened URLs: http://urlte.am -Jodi
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Johann Hoechtl <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> wrote:
Ironically, the link doesn't work for me - Time out.
Albeit the idea is appealing! I still think it's a good idea to work
with
short links for ease of readability and facilitate manual entry of web addresses in a browser. A corresponding short - to - longlist in the appendix of the paper should be enough for a wayback machine.
A short-url service specifically for acedemic research would also be a great starter for collaborative url collection, but I am digressing ...
Johann
Monica Barratt <tronica@gmail.com> schrieb am 26.07.2011 um 14:09 in Nachricht <CAF9Ekp1j_i6853QXnixKN3A6upFO1z63+caW0Sc24aZr0Q75Yg@mail.gmail.com>: Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving service? http://www.webcitation.org/faq
They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea. However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I guess that's been said before!
Cheers Monica
On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Johan -
At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called bpress. There are digital repositories on the market as well.
Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted for publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works included on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference (paper or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times the paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
Cheers, Denise
Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human Sciences Exhibitor, Art in Chemistry, NeXT Gallery, Magellan St., Lismore, Opening Thursday 18 August 18 5-7 PM, On display 8-26 August, 2011 Lismore NSW AUSTRALIA Mobile +(61)(0)438 233344 Fax +(61)(0)2 6624 5380 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/
--- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> wrote:
From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011@reagle.org> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications? To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl@donau-uni.ac.at> Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann Hoechtl wrote: > If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's likely that you have the ability to track how many times it was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
OK, understood.
> * If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed) journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd have access to. But I can see your interpolation point though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services out there.
As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs. _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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Thanks Jodi for your detailed look at my example. I've learnt a lot (excuse my ignorance regarding archiving versus shortening of URLs!). I agree with your arguments and will look to use them to make my thesis reference list resilient enough that it will still be useful to people in 10 years time. Very glad to have participated in this discussion. Thanks to all participants :) Monica
i think it is fine, so long as they are in references as per your bibliographical standard. They can also appear elsewhere such as under a picture, etc. but if you have an option, include the DOI
Tracking links might seem atractive, but i agree with Joseph that these services can shut down and your links will be useless after it.. I've seen some people using them in conference papers, here in Brazil, but i do think it's dangerous. Plus, they cover all the information we can get from the link adress, which, for me, is a big deal when i'm reading something. Just my opinion ;) Patrícia Rossini (32) 8806-7216 . 8879-9326 Em 22/07/2011, às 09:42, jeremy hunsinger escreveu:
i think it is fine, so long as they are in references as per your bibliographical standard. They can also appear elsewhere such as under a picture, etc. but if you have an option, include the DOI _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org
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While I tend to agree that there is useful information concerning sources in the original long URL, link rot is a constant issue regardless of whether one uses a shortening service or not. I don't find that a convincing argument against the short URL, as there is very little greater likelihood a link will be lost by bit.ly or tiny.url than by simply getting trashed by the owner of the original site. Still, unless there is a compelling reason to shorten, I think one is better off with the original link. -- Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Communication Studies Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA ----------------------------------------------- 2011-12 Director, Luther Study Centre 23 Haslemere Road Nottingham NG8 5GJ United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------- "Get the facts first. You can distort them later." ---Mark Twain On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:27 AM, yana breindl <ybreindl@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering what your thoughts were concerning the use of shortened URLs (e.g. tinyURL, bit.ly etc.) to reference electronic sources in a dissertation or other academic publication (along with the title, date, etc. possibly an annexe with the long URL). Has this been done already? Is it acceptable? Are there important differences between various shortening sites?
Thank you,
Yana
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to avoid linkrot you can use a handle service http://www.handle.net/ and I think that is perfectly acceptable.
On Friday, July 22, 2011, Mark D. Johns wrote:
While I tend to agree that there is useful information concerning sources in the original long URL, link rot is a constant issue regardless of whether one uses a shortening service or not.
Yes, but the service can contribute to the rot. When I finished my dissertation in 2008, I did an analysis of ~1000 of my digital sources and found a 2% rot rate -- so soon! [1] Had I used one of the dominant URL shorteners of the day, Trim, they'd all be dead. As I mention in [1], I archived the sources myself (with wget) and made that available, all broken down by domain and such, as neat as can be. [1]: http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/method/digital-posterity.html
Yana, the only advantage I can think of regarding the usage of shortened URL is if you're writing an article and there is a words' limitation (as long as the limitation refers to the bibliography/footnotes as well as the article itself), as sometimes the URLs can be quite long. I think that the need to shorten texts (for twitting etc.) was the basic rational for establishing such services. Best Wishes, Sharon Haleva Amir, HCLT Fellow (PhD Candidate) Faculty of Law, University of Haifa, ISRAEL. -------------------------------------------------- http://www.coolcite.com/user/1694 http://weblaw.haifa.ac.il/en/research/resstudents/pages/sharonha.aspx -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of yana breindl Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:27 AM To: Air-L@listserv.aoir.org Subject: [Air-L] Inclusion of short links in academic publications? Hello all, I was wondering what your thoughts were concerning the use of shortened URLs (e.g. tinyURL, bit.ly etc.) to reference electronic sources in a dissertation or other academic publication (along with the title, date, etc. possibly an annexe with the long URL). Has this been done already? Is it acceptable? Are there important differences between various shortening sites? Thank you, Yana --------------------- Yana BREINDL Ph.D Candidate Dépt des sciences de l'information et de la communication (SIC) Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Tél.: + 32 (0)2 650 44 46 E-mail: ybreindl@ulb.ac.be _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/
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