Hi Everyone, I'm trying to trace the development of a FAQ on MPEG that circulated on usenet starting in 1994. I've done a search on google groups but I'm wondering if there is a more powerful or definitive tool. Google seems pretty hit or miss as I can find some stuff from that period, but there are other things from 1994 that I know were there then that I can't find now. I'd appreciate suggestions from anyone who's doing usenet history. Thanks. --Jonathan
Did you check http://www.textfiles.com/ ? On Feb 14, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Jonathan Sterne wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to trace the development of a FAQ on MPEG that circulated on usenet starting in 1994. I've done a search on google groups but I'm wondering if there is a more powerful or definitive tool. Google seems pretty hit or miss as I can find some stuff from that period, but there are other things from 1994 that I know were there then that I can't find now.
I'd appreciate suggestions from anyone who's doing usenet history.
Thanks.
--Jonathan
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Jonathan Sterne wrote:
I'm trying to trace the development of a FAQ on MPEG that circulated on usenet starting in 1994. I've done a search on google groups but I'm wondering if there is a more powerful or definitive tool. Google seems pretty hit or miss as I can find some stuff from that period, but there are other things from 1994 that I know were there then that I can't find now.
to some extent it's a characteristic of Usenet being a distributed but loosely coupled system. smaller hierarchies were (are) not necessarily propagated so widely such that google, netscan etc got their hands on the postings. others used technical measures to (try to) prevent their postings from reaching google. and there are cancel and supersedes control messages that (should) influence what was propagated/kept. there was also the big discussion re "X-No-Archive" headers initiated by people who were not happy that google turned what was perceived as 'transitory' communication into persistent communication. c.
Google as an entity is only roughly five years old. The X-No-Archive (and similar) discussions you're referencing are from the early 1990s. Dejanews, even, post-dates the most vehement of those discussions. --elijah On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Christopher Lueg wrote:
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:42:44 +1100 (EST) From: Christopher Lueg <christopher.lueg@utas.edu.au> Reply-To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org To: "air-l@listserv.aoir.org" <air-l@listserv.aoir.org> Subject: Re: [Air-l] usenet historiography question
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Jonathan Sterne wrote:
I'm trying to trace the development of a FAQ on MPEG that circulated on usenet starting in 1994. I've done a search on google groups but I'm wondering if there is a more powerful or definitive tool. Google seems pretty hit or miss as I can find some stuff from that period, but there are other things from 1994 that I know were there then that I can't find now.
to some extent it's a characteristic of Usenet being a distributed but loosely coupled system. smaller hierarchies were (are) not necessarily propagated so widely such that google, netscan etc got their hands on the postings. others used technical measures to (try to) prevent their postings from reaching google. and there are cancel and supersedes control messages that (should) influence what was propagated/kept.
there was also the big discussion re "X-No-Archive" headers initiated by people who were not happy that google turned what was perceived as 'transitory' communication into persistent communication.
c.
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