No worries! People who speak in English are a minority in this world. The content in English on the Net is shrinking (relatively speaking) and so are the users for whom English is their first language. I guess it is time for Internet researchers to wake up to this new reality. Please read the basic statistics. We're spinning off those who speak English. It's not the other way round... Those who write in English are in the minority, big way. Let's not portray it otherwise. Geert On 20 Mar 2006, at 3:44 AM, Nathaniel Poor wrote:
I was thinking: "If we spin off the people who don't speak English.... who may not even be on the list in the first place... then we will have a more restricted view of the Internet..."
pero si, entiendo que es un problema con las idiomas del mundo... y ingles... y el internet... (but yes I understand that it's a problem with languages of the world... and English... on the net...) I also understand there is, currently, no easy answer to the issue of "we speak different languages but want to talk to each other" actually I had my undergrads read... something... from the "ferment in the field" edition (1980s?) of the Journal of Comm, that had a dialog where Ev Rogers was one of the people, and he, I think it was him (apologies if I am wrong), had an interesting point about language where he said, for instance, English-language researchers do get a lot of material to read, but at the same time a lot of it is translated, so, the example he used was the Japanese, the Japanese can get most of the English material in translated form, but Japanese work is rarely translated into English now I don't know if that was true then or even true now, but for me it was an interesting point about how language issues may not quite cut in expected ways
I feel that if we spin off non-English, then as you write there will never be any postings on the list in languages other than English! (but not like I am fluent in anything but English, my Spanish is not very good, and honestly I find my near mono-lingualism a problem) maybe it is chicken and egg...
but, now that I have a better understanding of how it might work I think it sounds like a solution worth trying Sue is going to be a "go-between", and perhaps some others will also be on both lists and can cross-post *and* translate that would be really cool.... so instead of creating different lists that are very separate, there can be communication! (my PhD is in Comm)
I am also glad the AIR conference is in different parts of the world, although that may only avoid American-centrism, but we are a young organization and these things take time (there is always ICA....)
On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:03 PM, geert lovink wrote:
hi, i was a bit surprised about your remark on the aior as the list and organization is so deeply anglo-centric. there are NEVER any postings on that list in languages other than english. so what does that 'regardless of language' means to you? there are hardly any lists, sites, blog or journals that are poly-lingual. best, geert
--------------------------------------------- Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D. www.umich.edu/~natpoor Visiting Assistant Professor Communication Studies Dept. Albion College http://www.albion.edu/commstudies