I agree with Jean. I have to be honest, I delete a chunk of list serv stuff due to being busy, but every now and then something catches my eye - like this and I engage. I also read a lot and don't engage. I've been reading the ethics stuff viz screenshots for example but not felt the need to post (so unmanly). I like the discussion aspect of the list here. Maybe I'm old fashioned. But without the discussion, it becomes just a space we post in without engagement, and I’m not so much interested in that. I like when we raise issues and chat about them. I can easily delete stuff I don't mind wading through discussion threads if I am interested. I delete what I am not bothered about (sorry folks!). For me the list is a touch point, to keep connected with a community in the midst of (in my job) management, in another context I could imagine (a heavy teaching load in a school where research and educational enquiry isn't valued. Different channels for different folks I say. There I just said what Jean said, but used more words and space, because I'm a chatterbox - and likely coz I'm a man. Sorry folks/jean for manspreading virtually - but I hope this helps. On 28/02/2019, 22:18, "Air-L on behalf of Jean Burgess" <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of je.burgess@qut.edu.au> wrote: I think people can probably choose for themselves whether they want to use the listserv for one of its intended purposes (discussion), or migrate to a new proprietary platform, or both. On 1/3/19, 12:53 am, "Air-L on behalf of Giancarlo M. Sandoval" <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org on behalf of gsmicro.nics@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, Seconding Ilir's suggestion for chatting in the discourse group. It's getting a bit unwieldy! (Fully aware I'm contributing to this by sending an email but thought I'd add support) Cheers. On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 14:50 Ilir Rama, <pirorama@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone! > Please consider using the AOIR workgroup Discord group to discuss more > comfortably, it would fit the conversation better - and it would definitely > be easier to follow! > If you think it could suit the conversation, an "ethics" discussion group > / text channel can be found here: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscord.gg%2FDVXDYBf&data=02%7C01%7Cb.light%40salford.ac.uk%7C194fee14306a4297519808d69dcaa4a8%7C65b52940f4b641bd833d3033ecbcf6e1%7C0%7C0%7C636869891013801209&sdata=iBXkEwLYRbdbbX7zu5tjGqvm3gcNhuxQlgVBg4LcbpI%3D&reserved=0 > > Thank you for the consideration, we are waiting for you there! > > All the best, > Ilir > [https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscordapp.com%2Fassets%2Fee7c382d9257652a88c8f7b7f22a994d.png&data=02%7C01%7Cb.light%40salford.ac.uk%7C194fee14306a4297519808d69dcaa4a8%7C65b52940f4b641bd833d3033ecbcf6e1%7C0%7C0%7C636869891013801209&sdata=3aY13fXlKLryRDJElSgoosaqkpxOPZES4dr81yKbmi0%3D&reserved=0]<; > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscord.gg%2FDVXDYBf&data=02%7C01%7Cb.light%40salford.ac.uk%7C194fee14306a4297519808d69dcaa4a8%7C65b52940f4b641bd833d3033ecbcf6e1%7C0%7C0%7C636869891013801209&sdata=iBXkEwLYRbdbbX7zu5tjGqvm3gcNhuxQlgVBg4LcbpI%3D&reserved=0> > > Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscord.gg%2FDVXDYBf&data=02%7C01%7Cb.light%40salford.ac.uk%7C194fee14306a4297519808d69dcaa4a8%7C65b52940f4b641bd833d3033ecbcf6e1%7C0%7C0%7C636869891013801209&sdata=iBXkEwLYRbdbbX7zu5tjGqvm3gcNhuxQlgVBg4LcbpI%3D&reserved=0> > Step up your game with a modern voice & text chat app. Crystal clear > voice, multiple server and channel support, mobile apps, and more. Get your > free server now! > discord.gg > > > > ________________________________ > Da: Air-L <air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org> per conto di Livingstone,S < > S.Livingstone@lse.ac.uk> > Inviato: giovedì 28 febbraio 2019 11:56 > A: Isabel Galvis; Chris Leslie; Alex Gekker > Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org > Oggetto: Re: [Air-L] Inquiry on screen shots > > Dear all > > Please note that, generally, the author of an image of revenge porn is an > abuser of the victim portrayed therein! > > Best, Sonia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Air-L [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Isabel > Galvis > Sent: 28 February 2019 10:29 > To: Chris Leslie <chrisleslienyc@hotmail.com>; Alex Gekker < > gekker.alex@gmail.com> > Cc: air-l@listserv.aoir.org > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Inquiry on screen shots > Importance: High > > Also, worst case scenario you could do a new ethics application and get > consent from the authors of the images to use them. > > > Best regards, > > > ISABEL GALVIS, M.A. > Google Certified Professional | Yahoo! 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I also think the difference you > suggest about private messages and public posts is worth thinking about > more. > > For instance, what if I published an academic article about the attitudes > of Internet researchers and quote your email as an example that reflects x > number of posts on the AOIR listserv? Depending on my thesis, you could > rightly be offended and potentially harmed by my article, even if > forwarding the email chain to your grad students or summarizing the > discussion for their benefit might have seemed ok. In the journal article, > I am using your statement as a research finding - a generalization of a > human trend I have observed that is backed up by quantitative data. Yet in > sending your email to the group, you didn’t consent to being a human > subject and you were not given the opportunity to give permission > afterward. 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