Re: [Air-L] nerd culture and new media
As far as we (all) don't oblige the men to "perform (or overperform) their gender role" to validate whatever tendencies either... Sue
stuszyn@UTNet.UToledo.Edu 18/06/08 11:38 >>> I had a feeling that godawful Newsweek article was going to come up. Because it's only okay for women to be geeks/nerds/"fill in intellectual stereotype here" as long as they "sex it up" enough? grr.
Broadsheet wrote about that article last week as well: http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2008/06/12/nerd_girls/index.html There's a big difference between being able to be yourself without suffering the repercussions and *having* to perform (or overperform) your gender role in order to validate or offset your non-conformist tendencies. Rar. Stephanie Tuszynski Visiting Assistant Professor Department of Theatre and Film University of Toledo Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:56 -0400 From: Steve Cavrak <Steve.Cavrak@Uvm.Edu> Subject: Re: [Air-L] nerd culture and new media To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <09B29B8B-B795-45AD-B832-FF2A387B3FB1@Uvm.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed A post on the Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus points to a Newsweek story on "nerdchic," the follow up comments provide interesting reflections on the value of nerds and role models, etc. 'Nerd Girl' Group at Tufts U. Seeks to Challenge Stereotypes of Engineering June 16, 2008 | 4 comments http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/3092/nerd-girl-group-at- tufts-u-seeks-to-challenge-stereotypes-of-engineering The latest issue of Newsweek features an article about?and plenty of glossy pictures of??Nerd Girls,? a student group at Tufts University. They group is working on building a solar car that they plan to drive around the country visiting schools and encouraging girls to pursue engineering?and making a documentary about their adventures. ?They?re ?Beauty and the Geek? all in one package!? says their Web site. ? Jeffrey R. Young Posted on Mon Jun 16, 03:25 PM | Permalink | Comment [4] [1] Revenge of the Nerdette, http://www.newsweek.com/id/140457 "As geeks become chic in all levels of society, an unlikely subset is starting to roar. Meet the Nerd Girls: they're smart, they're techie and they're hot." [2] NerdGirls.org, http://www.nerdgirls.org/ _______________________________________________ The Air-L@listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ -- Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo sistema de antiv�rus e acredita-se estar livre de perigo.
Where this gets interesting is that most of the good data on gender and technology has come out of gender and the workplace studies; there's so much apologizing for women being technologically sophisticated that we're still dealing with reinforcement of gender norms and stereotypes. Anyone who's interested, please feel free to contact me off-list as I've spent a decent amount of time compiling a bibliography of this material - it's all in my dissertation (forthcoming...). Best regards to you all, Meryl Krieger Meryl Krieger Ph.D., Folklore & Ethnomusicology (to post September 2008!) Associate Instructor, Department of Communication and Culture Indiana University Bloomington meryl.krieger@gmail.com kriegerj@indiana.edu On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Suely Fragoso <suely@unisinos.br> wrote:
As far as we (all) don't oblige the men to "perform (or overperform) their gender role" to validate whatever tendencies either...
Sue
stuszyn@UTNet.UToledo.Edu 18/06/08 11:38 >>> I had a feeling that godawful Newsweek article was going to come up. Because it's only okay for women to be geeks/nerds/"fill in intellectual stereotype here" as long as they "sex it up" enough? grr.
Broadsheet wrote about that article last week as well: http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2008/06/12/nerd_girls/index.html
There's a big difference between being able to be yourself without suffering the repercussions and *having* to perform (or overperform) your gender role in order to validate or offset your non-conformist tendencies.
Rar.
Stephanie Tuszynski Visiting Assistant Professor Department of Theatre and Film University of Toledo
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:56 -0400 From: Steve Cavrak <Steve.Cavrak@Uvm.Edu> Subject: Re: [Air-L] nerd culture and new media To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <09B29B8B-B795-45AD-B832-FF2A387B3FB1@Uvm.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed
A post on the Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus points to a Newsweek story on "nerdchic," the follow up comments provide interesting reflections on the value of nerds and role models, etc.
'Nerd Girl' Group at Tufts U. Seeks to Challenge Stereotypes of Engineering June 16, 2008 | 4 comments http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/3092/nerd-girl-group-at- tufts-u-seeks-to-challenge-stereotypes-of-engineering
The latest issue of Newsweek features an article about?and plenty of glossy pictures of??Nerd Girls,? a student group at Tufts University. They group is working on building a solar car that they plan to drive around the country visiting schools and encouraging girls to pursue engineering?and making a documentary about their adventures. ?They?re ?Beauty and the Geek? all in one package!? says their Web site. ? Jeffrey R. Young Posted on Mon Jun 16, 03:25 PM | Permalink | Comment [4]
[1] Revenge of the Nerdette, http://www.newsweek.com/id/140457 "As geeks become chic in all levels of society, an unlikely subset is starting to roar. Meet the Nerd Girls: they're smart, they're techie and they're hot."
[2] NerdGirls.org, http://www.nerdgirls.org/
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I've just been reading a great book called _Cyberfeminism in Northern Lights_ from Cambridge Scholars Press, which is an edited collection of essays about women and tech in Scandinavian countries. (a review will come out in the European Journal of Cultural studies soon) It's especially interesting to see how gender stereotypes are still so strong even in countries with national programs to enforce gender equity in a variety of ways, and also the effects of country-specific factors, like parental leave policies. Best, Kim On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Meryl Krieger <meryl.krieger@gmail.com> wrote:
Where this gets interesting is that most of the good data on gender and technology has come out of gender and the workplace studies; there's so much apologizing for women being technologically sophisticated that we're still dealing with reinforcement of gender norms and stereotypes. Anyone who's interested, please feel free to contact me off-list as I've spent a decent amount of time compiling a bibliography of this material - it's all in my dissertation (forthcoming...).
Best regards to you all,
Meryl Krieger
Meryl Krieger Ph.D., Folklore & Ethnomusicology (to post September 2008!) Associate Instructor, Department of Communication and Culture Indiana University Bloomington meryl.krieger@gmail.com kriegerj@indiana.edu
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Suely Fragoso <suely@unisinos.br> wrote:
As far as we (all) don't oblige the men to "perform (or overperform) their gender role" to validate whatever tendencies either...
Sue
stuszyn@UTNet.UToledo.Edu 18/06/08 11:38 >>> I had a feeling that godawful Newsweek article was going to come up. Because it's only okay for women to be geeks/nerds/"fill in intellectual stereotype here" as long as they "sex it up" enough? grr.
Broadsheet wrote about that article last week as well: http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2008/06/12/nerd_girls/index.html
There's a big difference between being able to be yourself without suffering the repercussions and *having* to perform (or overperform) your gender role in order to validate or offset your non-conformist tendencies.
Rar.
Stephanie Tuszynski Visiting Assistant Professor Department of Theatre and Film University of Toledo
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:56 -0400 From: Steve Cavrak <Steve.Cavrak@Uvm.Edu> Subject: Re: [Air-L] nerd culture and new media To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <09B29B8B-B795-45AD-B832-FF2A387B3FB1@Uvm.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed
A post on the Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus points to a Newsweek story on "nerdchic," the follow up comments provide interesting reflections on the value of nerds and role models, etc.
'Nerd Girl' Group at Tufts U. Seeks to Challenge Stereotypes of Engineering June 16, 2008 | 4 comments http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/3092/nerd-girl-group-at- tufts-u-seeks-to-challenge-stereotypes-of-engineering
The latest issue of Newsweek features an article about?and plenty of glossy pictures of??Nerd Girls,? a student group at Tufts University. They group is working on building a solar car that they plan to drive around the country visiting schools and encouraging girls to pursue engineering?and making a documentary about their adventures. ?They?re ?Beauty and the Geek? all in one package!? says their Web site. ? Jeffrey R. Young Posted on Mon Jun 16, 03:25 PM | Permalink | Comment [4]
[1] Revenge of the Nerdette, http://www.newsweek.com/id/140457 "As geeks become chic in all levels of society, an unlikely subset is starting to roar. Meet the Nerd Girls: they're smart, they're techie and they're hot."
[2] NerdGirls.org, http://www.nerdgirls.org/
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I am also reading this book and I am surprised that they do not see gender or feminism the same way in different cultures. Some of the writers found gender a non issue. There is a joke about learning Estonian. The language was constructed so one could not go on a date because there is no she he and it. Also updated my understandings of porno world wide with that book. I have more to read still It is a very good book. And yes I am threatened by hot women I do find nerd in fact any labeling is bad. This label was pushed by sexist creeps. The real truth to find tech cool is thats where the jocks are now and the money now is and the sexist pigs. Isn't journalism based on stereotypes and easy handles and labels? On 18-Jun-08, at 4:39 PM, Kim De Vries wrote:
I've just been reading a great book called _Cyberfeminism in Northern Lights_ from Cambridge Scholars Press, which is an edited collection of essays about women and tech in Scandinavian countries. (a review will come out in the European Journal of Cultural studies soon)
It's especially interesting to see how gender stereotypes are still so strong even in countries with national programs to enforce gender equity in a variety of ways, and also the effects of country-specific factors, like parental leave policies.
Best,
Kim
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Meryl Krieger <meryl.krieger@gmail.com> wrote:
Where this gets interesting is that most of the good data on gender and technology has come out of gender and the workplace studies; there's so much apologizing for women being technologically sophisticated that we're still dealing with reinforcement of gender norms and stereotypes. Anyone who's interested, please feel free to contact me off-list as I've spent a decent amount of time compiling a bibliography of this material - it's all in my dissertation (forthcoming...).
Best regards to you all,
Meryl Krieger
Meryl Krieger Ph.D., Folklore & Ethnomusicology (to post September 2008!) Associate Instructor, Department of Communication and Culture Indiana University Bloomington meryl.krieger@gmail.com kriegerj@indiana.edu
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Suely Fragoso <suely@unisinos.br> wrote:
As far as we (all) don't oblige the men to "perform (or overperform) their gender role" to validate whatever tendencies either...
Sue
stuszyn@UTNet.UToledo.Edu 18/06/08 11:38 >>> I had a feeling that godawful Newsweek article was going to come up. Because it's only okay for women to be geeks/nerds/"fill in intellectual stereotype here" as long as they "sex it up" enough? grr.
Broadsheet wrote about that article last week as well: http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2008/06/12/nerd_girls/index.html
There's a big difference between being able to be yourself without suffering the repercussions and *having* to perform (or overperform) your gender role in order to validate or offset your non-conformist tendencies.
Rar.
Stephanie Tuszynski Visiting Assistant Professor Department of Theatre and Film University of Toledo
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:56 -0400 From: Steve Cavrak <Steve.Cavrak@Uvm.Edu> Subject: Re: [Air-L] nerd culture and new media To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <09B29B8B-B795-45AD-B832-FF2A387B3FB1@Uvm.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed
A post on the Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus points to a Newsweek story on "nerdchic," the follow up comments provide interesting reflections on the value of nerds and role models, etc.
'Nerd Girl' Group at Tufts U. Seeks to Challenge Stereotypes of Engineering June 16, 2008 | 4 comments http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/3092/nerd-girl-group-at- tufts-u-seeks-to-challenge-stereotypes-of-engineering
The latest issue of Newsweek features an article about?and plenty of glossy pictures of??Nerd Girls,? a student group at Tufts University. They group is working on building a solar car that they plan to drive around the country visiting schools and encouraging girls to pursue engineering?and making a documentary about their adventures. ? They?re ?Beauty and the Geek? all in one package!? says their Web site. ? Jeffrey R. Young Posted on Mon Jun 16, 03:25 PM | Permalink | Comment [4]
[1] Revenge of the Nerdette, http://www.newsweek.com/id/140457 "As geeks become chic in all levels of society, an unlikely subset is starting to roar. Meet the Nerd Girls: they're smart, they're techie and they're hot."
[2] NerdGirls.org, http://www.nerdgirls.org/
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This is nothing new to cyberspace - technological innovation has always sought to embody gender. Check out Cynthia Cockburn's work on this and also Juliet Webster. Cockburn, C. (1985). Machinery of dominance: women, men and technical know-how. London, Pluto Press. Cockburn, C. and S. Ormrod (1993). Gender and technology in the making. London, Sage. I also found this paper useful in describing 'workplace masculinities' Martin, P. Y. (2001). "'Mobilizing masculinities': Women's experiences of men at work." Organization 8(4): 587-618. I certainly think the reserach can go forward from here into cyberspace . . . but do continue to look at the precedents, much important work has been done already in this area. For Scandanavia, see Suchman & Jordan - Suchman, L. and B. Jordan (1989). Computerisation and women's knowledge. Women, work and computerisation: Forming new alliances. K. Tijdens, M. Jennings, I. Wagner and M. Weggelaar. Amsterdam, North-Holland: 153-160. Denise N. Rall, PhD. Internationalisation Project Officer Southern Cross University, Lismore NSW 2480 AUSTRALIA Office: Room T2.17, +61 (0)2 6620 3577 Mobile 0438 233 344 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/esm/staff/pages/drall/ Presenter, Internet Research 9.0, 15-18 October 2008, Copenhagen, DK --- On Thu, 19/6/08, Kim De Vries <cuuixsilver@gmail.com> wrote: / Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
and yet they overperform it without us even asking them to ;) i think it's not only women who overcompensate -- 'nerdy' masculinity is also against the 'perfect' male type of jock/warrior. it's a pity that nerdy blokes so often seem to feel the need to put down women in order to 'prove' they're really 'men', despite the intellect and sedentary pursuits. being 'nerdy' presents a gendering problem to both men and women, the inequality proceeds from institutionalised selection of men and exclusion of women rather than 'nerdiness' being 'more natural' to men. it's a pity both don't refuse the stereotypes which perpetuate their emotional suffering. Paula Suely Fragoso wrote:
As far as we (all) don't oblige the men to "perform (or overperform) their gender role" to validate whatever tendencies either...
Sue
stuszyn@UTNet.UToledo.Edu 18/06/08 11:38 >>>
I had a feeling that godawful Newsweek article was going to come up. Because it's only okay for women to be geeks/nerds/"fill in intellectual stereotype here" as long as they "sex it up" enough? grr.
Broadsheet wrote about that article last week as well: http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2008/06/12/nerd_girls/index.html
There's a big difference between being able to be yourself without suffering the repercussions and *having* to perform (or overperform) your gender role in order to validate or offset your non-conformist tendencies.
Rar.
Stephanie Tuszynski Visiting Assistant Professor Department of Theatre and Film University of Toledo
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:56 -0400 From: Steve Cavrak <Steve.Cavrak@Uvm.Edu> Subject: Re: [Air-L] nerd culture and new media To: air-l@listserv.aoir.org Message-ID: <09B29B8B-B795-45AD-B832-FF2A387B3FB1@Uvm.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed
A post on the Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus points to a Newsweek story on "nerdchic," the follow up comments provide interesting reflections on the value of nerds and role models, etc.
'Nerd Girl' Group at Tufts U. Seeks to Challenge Stereotypes of Engineering June 16, 2008 | 4 comments http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/3092/nerd-girl-group-at- tufts-u-seeks-to-challenge-stereotypes-of-engineering
The latest issue of Newsweek features an article about?and plenty of glossy pictures of??Nerd Girls,? a student group at Tufts University. They group is working on building a solar car that they plan to drive around the country visiting schools and encouraging girls to pursue engineering?and making a documentary about their adventures. ?They?re ?Beauty and the Geek? all in one package!? says their Web site. ? Jeffrey R. Young Posted on Mon Jun 16, 03:25 PM | Permalink | Comment [4]
[1] Revenge of the Nerdette, http://www.newsweek.com/id/140457 "As geeks become chic in all levels of society, an unlikely subset is starting to roar. Meet the Nerd Girls: they're smart, they're techie and they're hot."
[2] NerdGirls.org, http://www.nerdgirls.org/
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