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Re: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #211 - 9 msgs
by Christiana Freitas 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

At 8:33 AM -0500 11/13/01, David Jacobson wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good article, chapter, or book that deals >with online journalism? I would appreciate any help you can provide. > >Many thanks, > >Dave > >David Jacobson >Professor of Anthropology >Department of Anthropology >Brandeis University >MS 006 >Waltham, MA 02454-9110 >USA > There is an interesting electronic journal called JIME, it has been implementing (since 1996) an open peer review online... you can think of several issues related to that: new forms of scholarly discourse and evaluation, traditional versus innovative practices, etc. Its website: http://www-jime.open.ac.uk/ Hope that helps, Regards, Christiana Freitas Knowledge Media Institute Open University UK >Phone: 781-736-2228 >Fax: 781-736-2232 > > >_______________________________________________ >Air-l mailing list >Air-l(a)aoir.org >http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Niki Cheong" To: , "David Jacobson" Subject: Re: [Air-l] Online Journalism Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:46:01 +0800 Reply-To: air-l(a)aoir.org Hi Dave, My Honours thesis revolves also around online journalism. I'd be interested in the response you get as well. :o) I haven't come across many books dealing directly with it but the aptly named "Online Journalism:A Critical Primer" by Jim Hall (Pluto, 2001) was helpful. Also my supervisor directed me to this reading "Journalism Online: Exploring the Impact of New Media on News and Society" by John V. Pavlik and Steven S. Ross. This reading is a chapter from the book Understanding the Web: Social, Political and Economic Dimensions of the Internet - Iowa State University Press 2000 (Alan B. Albarran and David H. Goff eds) Hope this helps. Niki -- Niki Cheong Curtin Student Guild Curtin University of Technology Bentley 6102 Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9266 2918 Fax: +61 8 9226 2996 > Can anyone recommend a good article, chapter, or book that deals with > online journalism? I would appreciate any help you can provide. > > Many thanks, > > Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/01 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:03:30 -0600 To: air-l From: Steve Jones Subject: [Air-l] Fwd: new from ebr Reply-To: air-l(a)aoir.org >INTERIOR, NIGHT >[computer glow; dark bedroom] > > >"Who reads this stuff?" > >asks a friend as she looks up >from the electronic book review (www.altx.com/ebr) >her ear lit by the screen > > >"I mean . . . I love it," she says, >"but how many of ME are there >out there?" > > >CUT TO >INTERIOR, LATE NIGHT >[a mixer for the Electronic Literature Organization] > >A bunch of us >are huddled near some candles > >shouting over the DJ > >jamming on >a spoken description of ebr . . . > >"ebr >is where academics who 'get it' >& artists who 'get it' >come to be smart >about new work" > > . . . yep, that sounds about right > > >CUT BACK TO >[computer glow; dark bedroom] > >"There are a lot of YOU out here," >I answer my friend. > >---------------------------------------- > >O, DEAR AUDIENT OF THE PRESENT! > >YES, YOU! > >COME TO BE SMART! > >COME PLAY EBR! > >ebr (www.altx.com/ebr) >continues its hot work >of melting the boundaries >between disciplines > >with its current constellation > >"music sound noise" > >-------------------------------------- > > "Humans do not have a switch > or "earlids" > to turn off the ear's listening." > --- Elise Kermani, currently in ebr > > > >ebr 12 general essays (www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > >A Poetics of the Link >Jeff Parker contributes to the ongoing debate on electropoetics and >invites readers to post their own link types and descriptions. > > >Cybertext Theory and Literary Studies, A User's Manual >Considering cybertext as a subset of hypertexts, Markku Eskelinen weighs >in with seven examples of how to implement Espen Aarseth's seven-fold >typology. > > "In short, serious print scholars > will eat hypertext theory for breakfast sooner or later. > And actually I can't wait for that to happen . . . . " > ---Markku Eskelinen, currently in ebr > > > >ebr 12 music/sound/noise (www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > >The Sonic Spectrum >Elise Kermani writes about her work with sound and invites readers to >locate sounds of their own on the spectrum from noise to sound to music. > > >A Somewhat Legal Look at the >Dawn and Dusk of the Napster Controversy >Paul C. Rapp, Esq., a.k.a. Lee Harvey Blotto > > >Tattoo it in Skin: A Literary Prediction >RVV Rob Wittig, Scriptor, fast forwards to a future when teenagers in >neo-nikes and neo-soccer jerseys recreate ye olden days of the True Hip >Hop Troubadour, circa Y2K. > > >Litmixer: The Literary Remediator >With his software groovebox, >Trace Reddell applies the tools and strategies of the DJ to the >performance >of literary interpretation and critical speculation. > > >End Construction: ebr3.0 >Anne Burdick and Ewan Branda >introduce the new ebr interface > - a complement to the litmixer, >but using ebr itself as the sampling source. (under construction) > > >A Disorganized Multilingual A to Z Poem >poem: Raymond Federman. >audio recording and production: Eric Rasmussen and Shaun Sandor > >Flood >poem: Thomas Swiss; >photographs: David Henry; >design: Ingrid Ankerson. >Done in a "classical mode." Using Micromedia's Flash. > > >Stuttering Screams and Beastly Poetry >Allison Hunter writes on Douglas Kahn, >a modern musicologist who takes in the noise of modern battle, recordings >from the tops of trains and the interiors of coalmines, and also the >musicality >of undigitized everyday noise. > > >When You Can't Believe Your Eyes: >Voice, Vision, And the Prosthetic Subject in 'Dancer in the Dark' >Cary Wolfe investigates why the reviewers were so rattled by the Lars von >Trier film, and in the process >puts Jacques Derrida, Stanley Cavell, >Slavoj Zizek, and Judith Butler into conversation. > > >New Beatle/Beach Boy Facts >David Greenberger on the two titans >of entertainment and enlightenment. > > > >further reVIEWs on critical ecologies: media/systems theory >(www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > > >Further Notes From the Prison-House of Language >Linda Brigham works through >Embodying Technesis by Mark Hansen. > > >Mindful of Multiplicity >Linda Carroli reviews Michael Joyce >on networked culture, whose emergence >changes our ideas of change. > > >The Cybernetic Turn: Literary into Cultural Criticism >Joseph Tabbi reviews the essay collection, Simulacrum America. > > > >ebr12 reVIEWs of general interest (www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > > >Duchamp Through Shop Windows >Reviewing new scholarship by David Joselit, Molly Nesbit, Thierry de Duve, >and Linda Henderson, >Hannah Higgins proposes that >writing about Duchamp needs to be Duchampian in flavor. > > >What Lies Beneath? >Gene Kannenberg, Jr. finds the most well-publicized comic by one of >America's most significant cartoonists >to be technically accomplished, challenging as narrative but finally all >too true to its title: >the characters and situations >in David Boring are in fact boring. > > >Talking Back to the Owners of the World >Steffen Hantke on Tom LeClair's >and Richard Powers's novelistic imaginations of terror. > > >America: The Usable Clich=C8 >Sue Im-Lee reviews Reciting America by Christopher Douglas. > > >Reading the L.A. Landscape >Claire Rasmussen on geography and the social theory of Janet L. >Abu-Lughod, Mike Davis, and Edward Soja. > > >Accretive Dreams, Junk Narrativity, >& Orphaned Excess in Moderation >Lance Olsen reviews hypertext writing, >past and present, by Robert Arellano. > > >Unraveling the Tapestry of Califia >Jaishree K. Odin on the hyperfiction >of M.D. Coverley. > > >++ electronic book review ++ >http://www.altx.com/ebr --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:37:03 -0500 From: "Janna Q. Anderson" Organization: Elon College To: air-l(a)aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] Comparing print and online news readers Reply-To: air-l(a)aoir.org A colleague of mine is working on developing a new research project. She was wondering if anyone on the AOIF listserv knows of any studies that compare traditional newspaper readers with on-line newspaper readers. (she's especially interested in focusing on their differences in knowledge of local issues or interest in local issues.) I would appreciate it if you could share any related information. Thanks! Janna -- Janna Quitney Anderson Instructor, Elon University School of Communications andersj(a)elon.edu --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Air-l mailing list Air-l(a)aoir.org http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l End of Air-l Digest --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals.

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call for papers for session on the Internet at ASA
by Andrea Baker 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Session: "The Internet and Society" For: American Sociological Association When: August, 16-20, 2002 Where: Chicago, IL Deadline for Submissions: January 10th, 2002 As the organizer for this regular session, I wanted to let people on the aoir list know about the opportunity to submit papers. You do not have to be a sociologist to present a paper, although if you are, that's a good thing too. Indeed, as many of us here agree, the field is interdisciplinary. All people submitting complete papers or detailed outlines are doing it online this year at a link available toward the end of November on the ASA site at http://www.asa.org. Please submit there or write me for details, if you are interested.

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info on public participation in Internet policy making
by Josephine Ferrigno-Stack 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Hi everyone - I'm in the thick of a lit review:) Does anyone know of any good resources on the use of public participation/ town hall-like meetings in the making of Internet -- local or federal level -- policy? Not surprisingly, I'm not finding a lot...any suggestions are greatly appreciated! thanks josephine *************************** Josephine Ferrigno-Stack Annenberg School for Communcation University of Pennsylvania 3620 Walnut St. Philadelphia, PA 19104

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Fwd: new from ebr
by Steve Jones 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

>INTERIOR, NIGHT >[computer glow; dark bedroom] > > >"Who reads this stuff?" > >asks a friend as she looks up >from the electronic book review (www.altx.com/ebr) >her ear lit by the screen > > >"I mean . . . I love it," she says, >"but how many of ME are there >out there?" > > >CUT TO >INTERIOR, LATE NIGHT >[a mixer for the Electronic Literature Organization] > >A bunch of us >are huddled near some candles > >shouting over the DJ > >jamming on >a spoken description of ebr . . . > >"ebr >is where academics who 'get it' >& artists who 'get it' >come to be smart >about new work" > > . . . yep, that sounds about right > > >CUT BACK TO >[computer glow; dark bedroom] > >"There are a lot of YOU out here," >I answer my friend. > >---------------------------------------- > >O, DEAR AUDIENT OF THE PRESENT! > >YES, YOU! > >COME TO BE SMART! > >COME PLAY EBR! > >ebr (www.altx.com/ebr) >continues its hot work >of melting the boundaries >between disciplines > >with its current constellation > >"music sound noise" > >-------------------------------------- > > "Humans do not have a switch > or "earlids" > to turn off the ear's listening." > --- Elise Kermani, currently in ebr > > > >ebr 12 general essays (www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > >A Poetics of the Link >Jeff Parker contributes to the ongoing debate on electropoetics and >invites readers to post their own link types and descriptions. > > >Cybertext Theory and Literary Studies, A User's Manual >Considering cybertext as a subset of hypertexts, Markku Eskelinen weighs >in with seven examples of how to implement Espen Aarseth's seven-fold >typology. > > "In short, serious print scholars > will eat hypertext theory for breakfast sooner or later. > And actually I can't wait for that to happen . . . . " > ---Markku Eskelinen, currently in ebr > > > >ebr 12 music/sound/noise (www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > >The Sonic Spectrum >Elise Kermani writes about her work with sound and invites readers to >locate sounds of their own on the spectrum from noise to sound to music. > > >A Somewhat Legal Look at the >Dawn and Dusk of the Napster Controversy >Paul C. Rapp, Esq., a.k.a. Lee Harvey Blotto > > >Tattoo it in Skin: A Literary Prediction >RVV Rob Wittig, Scriptor, fast forwards to a future when teenagers in >neo-nikes and neo-soccer jerseys recreate ye olden days of the True Hip >Hop Troubadour, circa Y2K. > > >Litmixer: The Literary Remediator >With his software groovebox, >Trace Reddell applies the tools and strategies of the DJ to the >performance >of literary interpretation and critical speculation. > > >End Construction: ebr3.0 >Anne Burdick and Ewan Branda >introduce the new ebr interface > - a complement to the litmixer, >but using ebr itself as the sampling source. (under construction) > > >A Disorganized Multilingual A to Z Poem >poem: Raymond Federman. >audio recording and production: Eric Rasmussen and Shaun Sandor > >Flood >poem: Thomas Swiss; >photographs: David Henry; >design: Ingrid Ankerson. >Done in a "classical mode." Using Micromedia's Flash. > > >Stuttering Screams and Beastly Poetry >Allison Hunter writes on Douglas Kahn, >a modern musicologist who takes in the noise of modern battle, recordings >from the tops of trains and the interiors of coalmines, and also the >musicality >of undigitized everyday noise. > > >When You Can't Believe Your Eyes: >Voice, Vision, And the Prosthetic Subject in 'Dancer in the Dark' >Cary Wolfe investigates why the reviewers were so rattled by the Lars von >Trier film, and in the process >puts Jacques Derrida, Stanley Cavell, >Slavoj Zizek, and Judith Butler into conversation. > > >New Beatle/Beach Boy Facts >David Greenberger on the two titans >of entertainment and enlightenment. > > > >further reVIEWs on critical ecologies: media/systems theory >(www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > > >Further Notes From the Prison-House of Language >Linda Brigham works through >Embodying Technesis by Mark Hansen. > > >Mindful of Multiplicity >Linda Carroli reviews Michael Joyce >on networked culture, whose emergence >changes our ideas of change. > > >The Cybernetic Turn: Literary into Cultural Criticism >Joseph Tabbi reviews the essay collection, Simulacrum America. > > > >ebr12 reVIEWs of general interest (www.altx.com/ebr/ebr12/index.html) >--------------------------------------- > > >Duchamp Through Shop Windows >Reviewing new scholarship by David Joselit, Molly Nesbit, Thierry de Duve, >and Linda Henderson, >Hannah Higgins proposes that >writing about Duchamp needs to be Duchampian in flavor. > > >What Lies Beneath? >Gene Kannenberg, Jr. finds the most well-publicized comic by one of >America's most significant cartoonists >to be technically accomplished, challenging as narrative but finally all >too true to its title: >the characters and situations >in David Boring are in fact boring. > > >Talking Back to the Owners of the World >Steffen Hantke on Tom LeClair's >and Richard Powers's novelistic imaginations of terror. > > >America: The Usable ClichÈ >Sue Im-Lee reviews Reciting America by Christopher Douglas. > > >Reading the L.A. Landscape >Claire Rasmussen on geography and the social theory of Janet L. >Abu-Lughod, Mike Davis, and Edward Soja. > > >Accretive Dreams, Junk Narrativity, >& Orphaned Excess in Moderation >Lance Olsen reviews hypertext writing, >past and present, by Robert Arellano. > > >Unraveling the Tapestry of Califia >Jaishree K. Odin on the hyperfiction >of M.D. Coverley. > > >++ electronic book review ++ >http://www.altx.com/ebr

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Online Journalism
by David Jacobson 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Can anyone recommend a good article, chapter, or book that deals with online journalism? I would appreciate any help you can provide. Many thanks, Dave David Jacobson Professor of Anthropology Department of Anthropology Brandeis University MS 006 Waltham, MA 02454-9110 USA Phone: 781-736-2228 Fax: 781-736-2232

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RE: [Air-l] Online Journalism
by sjmcmill 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

The Journal of Computer Mediated Communication did an issue on this topic a couple of years ago. It can be found at http://www.ascusc.org/jcmc/vol4/issue1/ >===== Original Message From David Jacobson <jacobson(a)brandeis.edu> ===== >Can anyone recommend a good article, chapter, or book that deals with >online journalism? I would appreciate any help you can provide. > >Many thanks, > >Dave > >David Jacobson >Professor of Anthropology >Department of Anthropology >Brandeis University >MS 006 >Waltham, MA 02454-9110 >USA > >Phone: 781-736-2228 >Fax: 781-736-2232 > > >_______________________________________________ >Air-l mailing list >Air-l(a)aoir.org >http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l Sally J. McMillan, Ph.D. University of Tennessee sjmcmill(a)utk.edu

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RE: [Air-l] cultural history of the Internet
by Jennifer Stromer-Galley 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

I'm presently reading Where Wizards Stay up Late: The Origins of the Internet by Hatie Hafner and Matthew Lyon. There is an interesting technological utopian thread through the book, as the authors interview each of the key players who helped develop the technology that we now call the Internet. Best, ~Jenny Stromer-Galley Annenberg School for Communication University of Pennsylvania jstromer(a)asc.upenn.edu http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/jstromer <http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/jstromer> -----Original Message----- From: Merav Katz [mailto:merav_kats@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:41 AM To: air-l(a)aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] cultural history of the Internet hi all, i'm writing a dissertation on technological utopianism and the Internet and currently compling a list of scholarly works that can be considered a cultural history of the Internet. any of your ideas, comments, and suggestions will be mostly welcome, tnx, Merav Merav Katz Ph.D candidate Graduate program for History & Philosophy of Science Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel _____ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com <http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp> _______________________________________________ Air-l mailing list Air-l(a)aoir.org http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l

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FW: an opinion?
by Randy Kluver 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

I sent this message to a colleague, Debora Halbert at Otterbein University [DHalbert(a)otterbein.edu] who studies the internet and intellectual property law, in response to Steve's query about the privacy notice at the bottom of messages. Here is her response: > > Hi Randy, > > I can give you the basic answer, but it isn't pretty. > Basically, all email is > copyrighted by the author (who presumably is the one putting > the notice at the > bottom). Congress has defined "fixed in a tangible form" to > include all digital > information. Thus, technically, anytime you forward anything > from anybody > without their permission, you are in violation of the > copyright law (which would > include sending this message to anybody else without my > permission with or > without a warning at the bottom). Fortunately, most people > don't care so much > about controlling their work to that extent (I don't, for > example, so feel free > to forward this message). However, those that do can pursue copyright > infringement against anyone who violates their copyright. Of > course, actual > enforcement of these claims are virtually impossible and > there is no proof of > any actual damages. > > The Digital Millenium Copyright Act provides a safe harbor fo > ISPs dealing with > copyright infrigment, but not for the people doing the actual > copyright > infringement. However, in order to achieve safe harbor > status, an ISP must take > down any possibly infringing material at the request of the > copyright owner (and > prior to any actual assessment of the actual copyright infringement). > > Most of this is more relevant for web pages than for emails, > but would probably > apply to email as well if someone wanted them to. Thus, you > could lose your > email account or web page access if someone has claimed you > have infringed their > copyright. > > Basically, congress has created a system in which every time > we use our web > browser or forward an email we are violating copyright. The > web still works > because most people would rather share their information than > control it. > > These laws also have some international application through > the TRIPs agreement > and so it mostly doesn't matter where you are when you engage in the > infringment. However, again it is pretty unenforceable. > (Unless you come to the > US) > > Finally, I'd love to see more of these warnings if you come > across them -- they > are interesting.... (and I am not a lawyer so please don't > see anything in this > as legal advice :) ) > > Talk to you soon, > Debbie> >

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Internet research opportunity
by Elizabeth Weiss 12 Nov '01

12 Nov '01

Fellow Internet researchers, We would like to present a unique Internet research opportunity to you. We have been working on developing a database of individuals who are willing to participate in online research (http://www.StudyResponse.com) Approximately 850 people have registered to be participants with the service as of today. We have completed one study (and are nearly finished with data collection for a second) using this database, and are eager to do another. The response rate for the first study was about 60%, and promises to equal that for the second study. We had a demographically diverse group of 50 males and 100 females, with ages ranging from 18 to 77 years old (M=39), a wide distribution of occupations and educational levels, and various work situations (i.e. full time, part time, temp, etc.). The majority of participants reported being very comfortable computers and the Internet. The respondent group did not differ from the non-respondent group on any demographic variables of interest. A more complete description of the panel in terms of age, gender, race, occupation, work situation, and educational level is available at http://www.psychology.gatech.edu/eweiss/sample.htm . We are also developing a page detailing the results of past studies at http://www.psychology.gatech.edu/eweiss/priorstudies.htm . We'd like to know if you would be interested in conducting a study using our database. The study should require not more than 425 participants (assuming an approximate 50% response rate, for estimation purposes), and should involve an incentive of some kind (either a raffle or a direct payment to participants). You would need to provide us with a recruitment e-mail to send out to our group. You are also responsible for setting up and maintaining your online survey. At the end, we will provide you with information on non-respondents and any information you may need for payment. If you'd like more information, don't hesitate to contact us. You can also visit the StudyResponse.com website and click on the link for "researchers" to learn more about how the process works. Thanks! Jeff Stanton and Elizabeth Weiss Elizabeth Weiss, M.S. Industrial/Organizational Psychology Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332-0170 Phone: 404-894-6067 Fax: 404-894-8905

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Re: [Air-l] cultural history of the Internet
by Charles Ess 12 Nov '01

12 Nov '01

Colleagues: It would be shameless self-promotion - except that I'm really putting forward here the work of many different researchers, whose writing I and Fay Sudweeks have had the honor of editing... 1. While it is a different sort of cultural history - the various chapters collected in the recent volume issuing from our Cultural Attitudes towards Technology and Communication conferences illuminate the culturally-embedded values and communication preferences of the Internet as initially a North American - indeed, arguably a middle-to-upper class white male - medium of communication. They do so in part by documenting the _conflicts_ between these embedded values and preferences and those of other cultural groups within the U.S. (Asian American and African American), several European cultures (German and German-speaking, and the French- and Italian-speaking cultures of Switzerland), and those of Kuwait (with a focus on women in this Muslim country),India, Japan, Korea, and Thailand. These conflicts emerge, simply, as Western-designed CMC technologies are imported and deployed within these diverse cultural contexts. Title: Culture, Technology, and Communication: Towards an Intercultural Global Village. Edited by Charles Ess, with Fay Sudweeks. Foreword by Susan Herring. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press, 2001. 2. Similarly, three articles collected in the most recent issue of New Media and Society (September, 2001 - Vol. 3, No. 3) likewise uncover and document such conflicts as they emerge especially among indigenous cultures (the Kelabit people of the Borneo Highlands and numerous African tribes now part of South Africa) and the distinctive culture of the Philippines. Again, both individually and taken together, these articles help highlight the cultural values and communicative preferences embedded in CMC technologies that originate in the West - as well as various ways in which diverse peoples and cultures avoid a form of "computer-mediated colonization" by taking up CMC technologies in ways consciously intended to avoid inadvertent importation of Western values and preferences - but rather to preserve and enhance their own distinctive values and preferences. (New Media and Society - co-edited by aoir's very own Nicholas Jankowski - has much more to recommend it to aoir folk as well!) I hope this helps. And anyone interested in contributing to this sort of cultural anthropology of the Net and other CMC technologies is encouraged to consider CATaC'02, which will be held next July in the lovely city of Montréal, Canada - our first venue on the North American continent. See the conference website, URL below. Cheers and all best wishes, Charles Ess Director, Interdisciplinary Studies Center Drury University 900 N. Benton Ave. Voice: 417-873-7230 Springfield, MO 65802 USA FAX: 417-873-7435 Home page: http://www.drury.edu/ess/ess.html Co-chair, CATaC 2002: http://www.it.murdoch.edu.au/~sudweeks/catac02/ "...to be non-violent, we must not wish for anything on this earth which the meanest and lowest of human beings cannot have." -- Gandhi

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