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Re: [Air-l] social movements / social software
by Todd Davies 13 Apr '06

13 Apr '06

What is new for me, looking at Myspace's role in political organizing, is how Internet software that has been designed primarily for getting fun information about other people (pictures, interests, etc.) for social and dating purposes seems to have potential for sparking political involvement across distances, in a way that both text-based Internet and mass media are less suited to. We know from studies of political attitudes and behavior that personal contacts are very important motivators for altering both. Gustavo, the high school student whose interview I posted, describes the Myspace slideshow of a march in california as "the main thing that got my attention" and spurred him to organize where he lived in texas. Without inferring too much about what he was initially looking for on Myspace that morning, I can certainly imagine how someone might feel motivated to become an organizer after seeing pictures of peers elsewhere marching for a cause one shares an interest in. In earlier times, a cute and funny campus organizer might come to your dorm room and casually tell you about a rally, or a cool and slightly older kid down the street might be a member of an activist group and get you interested in it. These people still exist, of course, but now they can be thousands of miles away with profiles you are checking out anonymously on Myspace. That seems a lot more compelling at the pre-commitment stage than watching a news report about a march, or getting an email message from someone you don't know and can't see. Then, once you've decided to organize, you contact your friends and schoolmates using phone trees, email, flyers etc., because those are more effective media for targeted communication within one's preexisting network. Myspace seems more suited to the initial stage of political involvement, providing the spark of interest that comes, for example, from curiosity about another person and what they are doing, and a desire to compare it to what *you* are doing -- sitting in your room looking at Myspace profiles, perhaps, while others just like you are marching for your rights. A tool for doing that across distances, available to and used by most young people, was missing in earlier eras. It will be interesting to see how much difference it makes. Todd Todd Davies *** email: davies(a)csli.stanford.edu Symbolic Systems Program *** phone: 1-650-723-4091 Stanford University *** fax: 1-650-723-5666 Stanford, CA, USA 94305-2150 *** web: www.stanford.edu/~davies

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RCCS: Call for Book Reviewers
by david silver 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

RCCS: Call for Book Reviewers The following books are available for review for the Resource Center for Cyberculture Studies < http://www.com.washington.edu/rccs/booklist.asp >. If you are interested in reviewing one of the books, PLEASE READ the instructions below. *** The Access Principle: The Case for Open Access to Research and Scholarship John Willinsky MIT Press, 2006 Applied Ethics in Internet Research Ed. May Thorseth Norwegian University of Science and Technology University Press, 2003 Architecture's New Media: Principles, Theories, and Methods of Computer-Aided Design Yehuda E. Kalay MIT Press, 2004 The Cinema Effect Sean Cubitt MIT Press, 2004 Close Reading New Media: Analyzing Electronic Literature Eds. Jan Van Looy & Jan Baetens Leuven University Press, 2003 Computer Mediated Communication: Social Interaction and the Internet Crispin Thurlow, Laura Lengel, & Alice Tomic Sage, 2004 Connected, or What It Means to Live in the Network Society Steven Shaviro University of Minnesota Press, 2003 Cornucopia Limited: Design and Dissent on the Internet Richard Coyne MIT Press, 2005 Culture + Technology: A Primer Jennifer Daryl Slack & J. MacGregor Wise Peter Lang, 2005 Cyberarts 2004: International Compendium Prix Ars Electronica Hannes Leopoldseder, Christine Schopf, & Gerfried Stocker Hatje Cantz Publishers, 2004 Cyberscience: Research in the Age of the Internet Michael Nentwich Austrian Academy of Sciences, 2003 The Deepening Divide: Inequality in the Information Society Jan A G M van Dijk Sage, 2005 The Digital Sublime: Myth, Power, and Cyberspace Vincent Mosco MIT Press, 2005 Disability and Contemporary Performance: Bodies on Edge Petra Kuppers Routledge, 2003 Double Click: Romance and Commitment Among Online Couples Andrea J. Baker Hampton Press, 2005 Electronic Monuments Gregory Ulmer University of Minnesota Press, 2005 Eloquent Images: Word and Image in the Age of New Media Eds. Mary E. Hocks & Michelle R. Kendrick MIT Press, 2003 >From 9/11 to Terror War: The Dangers of the Bush Legacy Douglas Kellner Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2003 The Game Design Reader: A Rules of Play Anthology Eds. Katie Salen & Eric Zimmerman MIT Press, 2006 Half-Real: Video Games between Real Rules and Fictional Worlds Jesper Juul MIT Press, 2005 How Images Think Ron Burnett MIT Press, 2004 Image Ethics in the Digital Age Eds. Larry P. Gross, John Stuart Katz, & Jay Ruby University of Minnesota Press, 2003 Information Politics on the Web Richard Rogers MIT Press, 2004 The Internet Playground: Children's Access, Entertainment, And Mis-education Ellen Seiter Peter Lang, 2005 Internet Research Annual: Selected Papers from the Association of Internet Researchers Conferences, 2000-2002 Eds. Mia Consalvo, Nancy Baym, Jeremy Hunsinger, Klaus Bruhn Jensen, John Logie, Monica Murero, & Leslie Shade Peter Lang, 2004 Lara Croft: Cyber Heroine Astrid Deuber-Mankowsky; Sue-Ellen Case (Foreword) & Dominic J. Bonfiglio (Translator) University of Minnesota Press, 2005 Literate Lives in the Information Age: Narratives on Literacy from the United States Cynthia L. Selfe & Gail E. Hawisher Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 2004 Love Online: Emotions on the Internet Aaron Ben-Ze'ev Cambridge University Press, 2004 Making Silicon Valley: Innovation and the Growth of High Tech, 1930-1970 Christophe Lecuyer MIT Press, 2005 Material Virtualities: Approaching Online Textual Embodiment Jenny Sunden Peter Lang, 2003 Media Debates: Great Issues for the Digital Age, 4th Edition Everette E. Dennis & John C. Merrill Wadsworth Publishing, 2006 Mediation and the Communication Matrix C. Kaha Waite Peter Lang, 2003 The Mirror and the Veil: An Overview of American Online Diaries and Blogs Viviane Serfaty Rodopi, 2004 My First Recession: Critical Internet Culture in Transition Geert Lovink V2_/NAI Publishers, 2004 Neo-Baroque Aesthetics and Contemporary Entertainment Angela Ndalianis MIT Press, 2004 New Media Campaigns and the Managed Citizen Philip N. Howard Cambridge University Press, 2005 New Technologies at Work: People, Screens and Social Virtuality Eds. Christina Garsten & Helena Wulff Berg Publishers, 2004 News Media and New Media: The Asian-Pacific Internet Handbook, Episode V Ed. Madanmohan Rao Eastern Universities Press, 2003 No Safety in Numbers: How the Computer Quantified Everything and Made People Risk-Aversive Henry J. Perkinson Hampton Press, 1996 Online Social Research: Methods, Issues, & Ethics Eds. Mark D. Johns, Shing-Ling Chen, & G. Jon Hall Peter Lang, 2003 Publicity's Secret: How Technoculture Capitalizes on Democracy Jodi Dean Cornell University Press, 2002 Saved From Oblivion: Documenting the Daily from Diaries to Web Cams Andreas Kitzmann Peter Lang, 2004 Shaping Things Bruce Sterling MIT Press, 2005 Soft Cinema: Navigating the Database (DVD and Book) Lev Manovich & Andreas Kratky MIT Press, 2005 The Souls of Cyberfolk: Posthumanism as Vernacular Theory Thomas Foster University of Minnesota Press, 2005 Star Trek: Technologies of Disappearance Alan N. Shapiro Avinus Verlag, 2004 Techno Fashion Bradley Quinn Berg Publishers, 2002 Technology and the Dream: Reflections on the Black Experience at MIT, 1941-1999 Clarence G. Williams MIT Press, 2003 Towards a Sustainable Information Society: Deconstructing WSIS Eds. Jan Servaes & Nico Carpentier Intellect, 2005 Twisty Little Passages: An Approach to Interactive Fiction Nick Montfort MIT Press, 2005 Unlocking the Clubhouse: Women in Computing Jane Margolis and Allan Fisher MIT Press, 2003 Virtual Morality: Morals, Ethics and New Media Ed. Mark J. P. Wolf Peter Lang, 2003 Virtual Worlds: Culture and Politics in the Age of Cybertechnology Pramod K. Nayar Sage, 2004 Will Fair Use Survive? Free Expression in the Age of Copyright Control. A Public Policy Report Marjorie Heins & Tricia Beckles Brennan Center for Justice, 2005 *** Instructions for Reviewers: RCCS reviews are between 1500-2000 words and are published here: < http://www.com.washington.edu/rccs/booklist.asp >. If you are interested in reviewing a book, please answer the following questions and email them to: dsilver(a)u.washington.edu 1. What is your name and, if any, title/affiliation? 2. Which book (please select one) would you like to review? 3. In the event that your selection is taken, please list 2-3 keywords that describe your interests. 4. Are you able to have a 1500-2000 word draft review of this book ready by the end of April, 2006? 5. What is your address? Thank you for your interest, david silver http://faculty.washington.edu/dsilver/ subscribe? unsubscribe? https://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/cyberculture-announce

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Re: [Air-l] social movements / social software
by Andrew Herman 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

David- This is both fascinaqting and important. Can you give some more detail about how this web site (or anay other involved in this movement) is based upon, delpoys, advances "social software" in an explicit way? Thanks, Andrew Herman P.S. A working definition of social software in this case would be useful as well. Andrew Herman, Ph. D. Associate Professor Department of Communication Studies Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5 CANADA 519 884-1970 x3693 >>> dsilver(a)u.washington.edu 04/10/06 3:56 PM >>> people, today, across the US, there are marches and rallies for equal human rights. the events appear to be organized in a decentralized manner and are distributed across the north, south, east, and west regions of the united states. some estimates suggest that by the end of the day, 2 million people will march. in an attempt to preempt barry wellman questioning whether this is a relevant topic of internet research (!), let me say that much of this organization is happening with the help of digital media / social software, including social networking sites and good old fashioned web sites like this: http://www.cccaction.org/cccaction/april10_index.html some people are suggesting that this is the first significant US social movement since 9-11. whether or not that is true, it's fascinating to see that this is a social movement led by people of color. david silver http://silverinseattle.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/

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Call for Participation -- Wikimania 2006 -- Aug. 4 - Aug. 6, Cambridge, MA
by Joseph Reagle 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

[Updated CFP with new deadlines] Call for Participation -- Wikimania 2006 -- Aug. 4 - Aug. 6, Cambridge, MA For more information, see the Wikimania website: http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org ----- About Wikimania Wikimania is an annual global event devoted to Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. It is both a scientific conference and a community event, open to the public. Wikimania is a place for users and editors of the projects to gather from around the globe, to meet each other, to exchange ideas, and to report on research and projects. This year's conference will be held from 4-6 August, 2006, on the Harvard Law School campus in Cambridge, Massachusetts. We are accepting submissions for papers, posters, presentations, workshops, and discussion groups. We are also accepting nominations for speakers and speaker panels, and suggestions for other activities. Everyone is welcome to submit abstracts and ideas. Be bold in your submissions! ----- Important dates: * 15 April 2006: Proposal deadline for workshops and tutorials Notification of acceptance: by April 30 * 30 April 2006: Abstracts due for panels, papers, posters and presentations Notification of acceptance: by May 15 * 1 July 2006: Final submissions due * 4-6 Aug 2006: Wikimania ----- Conference Themes Submissions should address one or more of the following themes: * Technical infrastructure -- Issues related to Mediawiki development and extensions; Wikimedia hardware layout; new ideas for development (including case studies from other wikis or similar projects). * Wikimedia projects and content -- Presentation of interesting projects and results; future aims of the projects and types of distribution; ways to improve content quality. New uses for project content: in education, journalism, research, &c. * Free knowledge and access to information -- Present and future free knowledge initiatives; related library and archival projects around the world and input from librarians and archivists; ways to gather and distribute knowledge. * Wiki social science -- The contributors and users (who are they? Where do they come from?); reputation and identity issues; conflict resolution and community dynamics; scaling digital communities. Languages and cultures and their interactions online; multilingualism via wikis. Linguistics studies on wiki communities. * Law and Policy -- Copyleft, collective copyright, special issues pertaining to communal editing and distribution; other legal areas for which Wiki[mp]edia is an interesting case study. Policy creation within individual projects. ----- Submissions Types of Submissions: * Panels (Suggest a group of 2-5 speakers on a specific subject) * Workshops (From 30-120 minutes) * Presentations (10-30 minute presentations/papers) * Posters (Printed presentations or visual displays that can stand on their own) * BOFs (Birds-of-a-Feather/discussion sessions - 45-60 minutes of group discussion) We are also accepting artistic submissions, especially visualizations or other representations of some aspect of the projects. ------ Submission format * All submissions must include a title and an abstract of 100 to 300 words. They should also list the full name (and wiki name if appropriate) of the submitter, with contact information and affiliations. Special requirements for the presentation (equipment for a workshop or panel) should be noted. The abstracts should be provided as plain text, and not as file attachments. * Workshop submissions should include a 1-2pp overview of the areas to be covered or taught. * Speaker panel submissions should include short biographies of each suggested panelist. * Paper and Presentation submissions may include a link to a draft of the paper or slides, if available. State clearly whether the submission concerns a specific wiki project, and whether the presentation is intended to be a specific length. * BOF proposals should describe the significance of and community interest in the topic, and name the proposed discussion leader(s). To process your submission, please see our submission system - http://cfp.wikimania.wikimedia.org/. Send questions or suggestions to cfp <at> wikimedia.org . ----- Final Submissions Final submissions must be provided in an open format (OpenOffice, LaTeX sources, HTML...) and licensed under a free content license (GFDL or CC-BY-SA). ----- Stipends A limited number of stipends will be available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Accepted presenters are encouraged to apply if assistance is needed. ----

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Re: [Air-l] social movements / social software
by Todd Davies 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

Good testimonial from one of the young organizers in texas today on Democracy Now (see http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/11/1426244) "JUAN GONZALEZ: Could you tell us a little bit about how you organized the student walkouts and how you got involved yourself? GUSTAVO JIMENEZ: Well, it all began on Sunday. Sunday morning, like around 9:00. I was actually on MySpace. Thats the website that was a real big help in getting the word out. And I seen a bulletin that a girl from L.A. had posted up; and it showed, you know, the march the rally that L.A. had and the hundreds of thousands of people that showed up. And it also had some sort of a slideshow. And it showed these pictures of, you know, the rally and migrant workers and everything. And I guess that that was the main thing that kind of got my attention and said, well, if California, you know, is trying so hard and people around the U.S. is trying so hard -- because you hear about the news, you know, people marching in other states -- and I said, well, we should try to do something here. And she had actually posted up a national walkout for Monday the 27th. And I guess usually when you see those type of things, you know, walkouts, nobody really does them; but on those, I guess, you know, its for a reason, its for a good cause. I decided to help out in any way that I could; and, I mean, immediately I had to call a best friend of mine, Miguel, and as soon as we called him, I mean, we spent the rest of the day just calling, texting people on their cell phones, emails, and by anywhere. We got some -- I had made some fliers, and I made some that same night. And, I mean, it was just a one-day thing that we hoped to try to get as many people as we could." Todd Davies *** email: davies(a)csli.stanford.edu Symbolic Systems Program *** phone: 1-650-723-4091 Stanford University *** fax: 1-650-723-5666 Stanford, CA, USA 94305-2150 *** web: www.stanford.edu/~davies

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Re: [Air-l] activity theory
by Kathy Mancuso 11 Apr '06

11 Apr '06

Adelina & Drew, Do you know the work of Bonnie Nardi, http://www.darrouzet-nardi.net/bonnie? She teaches at UC Irvine in Informatics and is probably the US's leading expert on activity theory in HCI. Her first book on it is Context and Consciousness (an edited volume) and another will appear this fall. Although she doesn't work with mobile devices, she'll probably have suggestions for who does. Kathy Mancuso -- Katherine Mancuso, graduate student, Emory University Web 2.0 research, life, and meta: http://museumfreak.livejournal.com, http://del.icio.us/museumfreak, http://www.last.fm/museumfreak Faure Requiem: 4/21, 8 PM @ Emory's Schwartz Center "A cyborg world might be about lived social and bodily realities in which people are not afraid of their joint kinship with animals and machines, not afraid of permanently partial identities and contradictory standpoints. The political struggle is to see from both perspectives at once because each reveals both dominations and possibilities unimaginable from the other vantage point." --Donna Haraway

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Activity theory
by adelina moura 11 Apr '06

11 Apr '06

Hi all, to my PhD thesis I liked to find some studies on mobile technologies (mLearning) that they have been based/supported in Activity Theory, to know how to apply this theory to a research with mobile devices. If somebody can help me I would be been thankful. Best regards. -- Adelina Moura "Nosce te ipsum" Research area: mLearning Tecnologias móveis www.adelinamouravitae.com.sapo.pt http://linade.podomatic.com http://www.iep.uminho.pt/encontro.webquest

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Announcement: Annenberg conference on the Hyperlinked Society, June 9, 2006
by Lokman Tsui 11 Apr '06

11 Apr '06

Hi, My name is Lokman Tsui, a doctoral student at the Annenberg School for Communication, University of Pennsylvania. I am currently busy with helping Professor Joe Turow organize a conference called "The Hyperlinked Society: Questioning Connections in the Digital Age." It will take place at the University of Pennsylvania on Friday June 9, 2006. The organizers can support the lodging and partially subsidize the travel of many of the attendees, though space is limited. You can register on the website. The website of the conference: http://www.asc.upenn.edu/hyperlinked Feel free to email me any questions about the conference. Best, Lokman -- The Annenberg Public Policy Center is proud to announce a multidisciplinary conference: The Hyperlinked Society: Questioning Connections in the Digital Age The conference will be held on Friday, June 9, 2006 at the Annenberg School for Communication, University of Pennsylvania, 8:00am-5:15 pm. We will fully subsidize the meals and lodging (June 8 and June 9, if needed), and partially subsidize the travel, of those whom we can accommodate at the conference. Space is limited, so if you want to participate, please apply now. If you would like to come to the conference, please visit the conference website (http://www.asc.upenn.edu/hyperlinked) and register. As the website states, the conference aims to "bring international experts ... to explore the political, economic and social dimensions of linking and its consequences for sharing ideas in the world of digital media." We're defining linking quite broadly to include, for example, tags, API mashups, and RSS feeds. Moreover, we have created the meeting with the awareness that media convergence has led to increased instant linking among desktop computers, cell phones, PDAs, MP3 players, digital video recorders, and even billboards. As you can see from the conference program (http://www.asc.upenn.edu/hyperlinked/Program.htm) the panelists dealing with the issues related to such developments include renowned news, entertainment and marketing executives, information architects, bloggers, cartographers, audience analysts, and communication researchers. Our goal is to make every attendee an integral part of every discussion, and indications so far are that the entire group will be first rate. Again, space is limited. If you would like to come to the conference, please visit the conference website (http://www.asc.upenn.edu/hyperlinked) and register.

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postdocs - University of Twente - Evaluating the Cultural Quality of New Media
by Charles Ess 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

Hi all, On behalf of Philip Brey, director of the project, please pass on the following to interested scholars and researchers - The Department of Philosophy of the Faculty of Behavioural Sciences, University of Twente, is looking for Three Postdocs Three full-time Postdoc positions for a period of three years for the project Evaluating the Cultural Quality of New Media. Towards a Philosophy of Human-Media Relations About the Overall Project All three Postdoc positions are part of a prestigious and exciting international research project titled Evaluating the Cultural Quality of New Media. This five-year project, which will include five researchers and will involve collaboration with leading international scholars and research centres, has as its aim to develop a framework for better normative analyses of new media and new media culture, especially in relation to their contribution to the quality of life (“the good life”) and the quality of society. Project leader is Dr. Philip Brey (PhD, UC San Diego). He will be working on the project almost full-time. The project will be part of a new international Centre of Excellence in Ethics and Technology of the departments of philosophy of Twente University, Delft University of Technology and Eindhoven University of Technology. Postdoc Project 1 - The Quality of Virtual Environments and Tools This subproject aims to perform a philosophical analysis of the implications of ever increasing virtualization for the quality of life and of society. Virtualization is defined as the digital production of interactive structures, whether graphical or symbolic, that mirror things and events in the physical world. What are the implications of this process for moral and social identity, embodiment, and conceptions of reality, and how can these implications be normatively evaluated? Postdoc Project 2 – The Quality of Computer-Mediated Practice This subproject focuses on computer-mediated social practices in friendships, love relationships, and community life. Increasingly, the social world is held together by electronic networks. More and more, communication, social relationships, and community formation take place over such networks. The aim of the project is to perform a philosophical analysis of the implications of this trend for the quality of life and of society. Postdoc Project 3 – The Quality of Digital Information This subproject focuses on the changed value of information after the digital revolution. It will analyze various conceptions of the value of information, including liberal conceptions that emphasize its role in enhancing autonomy, communitarian conceptions that relate it to the well-being of communities and society, and culturalist conceptions that emphasize the aesthetic, moral or spiritual value of information. It will then analyze positive and negative appraisals of the impact of the Internet and other digital media relative to these ideals. Profile For all three projects: A PhD degree or equivalent degree in philosophy. Consideration will also be given to candidates with a multidisciplinary PhD degree on a topic relevant to the project and some background in philosophy. Demonstrable interest in philosophical issues relating to information technology and new media. Good analytical skills. Good communication skills in English, in writing as well as orally. Creativity, open-mindedness, and ability to develop new ideas. For project 1: Preferred areas of specialization: ethics, social and political philosophy, metaphysics, philosophy of mind. For project 2: Preferred areas of specialization: social and political philosophy, ethics. For project 3: Preferred areas of specialization: social and political philosophy, ethics, epistemology. Offer For all three projects: A three-year full-time Postdoc position starting August 15th, 2006. The gross salary depends on experience and qualifications and will be in between € 3,024 and € 4,140.- per month (between € 39,554.- and € 54,151.- per annum including vacation pay). All three positions come with a budget of up to € 10,000,- for travel and conference attendance. Information and application A description of the overall project, the three subprojects and a FAQ can be retrieved from http://www.ceptes.nl/vici. Applicants are advised to read these texts carefully before applying. The project leader, dr. Philip Brey (e-mail: p.a.e.brey(a)utwente.nl <mailto:p.a.e.brey@utwente.nl> ), will be happy to answer questions about the project. Your application should contain the following documents: a letter of application which explains your interest in the position at some length and explains your qualifications; a curriculum vitae which includes the names and email address/telephone number of at least two academic references; an abstract and table of contents of your dissertation; at least one chapter from your dissertation; and two academic publications (if available). You application can be sent by e-mail (preferred) or by normal post to dr. ir. J.F.C. Verberne (e-mail: pz-gw(a)gw.utwente.nl) managing director of the Faculty of Behavioural Sciences, University of Twente, PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede, the Netherlands. Vacancy number 06/043, Please mention the project number. Your application should be in by May 26. Job interviews will be held between June 1 and 14 (travel expenses will be paid). == Charles Ess Distinguished Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Studies <http://www.drury.edu/gp21> Drury University 900 N. Benton Ave. Voice: 417-873-7230 Springfield, MO 65802 USA FAX: 417-873-7435 Home page: http://www.drury.edu/ess/ess.html Co-chair, CATaC'06: http://www.catacconference.org Co-chair, ECAP'06: http://www.eu-cap.org Professor II, Globalization and Applied Ethics Programmes Norwegian University of Science and Technology NO-7491 Trondheim, Norway http://www.anvendtetikk.ntnu.no/pres/bridgingcultures.php Exemplary persons seek harmony, not sameness. -- Analects 13.23

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Old Commercials of Technology
by Fernando Garrido 09 Apr '06

09 Apr '06

Hi Folks, I'm working in some presentations, and i would like to know if you have old comercials of Technology, as TV, Telephone, Mobile Telephone, Internet conexion, etc... Please if somebody know where i cand find this stuff, let me know. (The "internet in movies" was a very useful topic, Thanks to all!!) Best Fernando Garrido

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