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Internet-derived text
by Suzana Sukovic 27 May '07

27 May '07

Literary and Linguistic Computing 2007 22(2):151-165 Processing Internet-derived Text--Creating a Corpus of Usenet Messages Sebastian Hoffmann http://llc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/2/151 Suzana

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Re: [Air-l] Technology Transforming Education--EE-Learning
by Matthew Bernius 27 May '07

27 May '07

Textual and verbal literacy will retain their privileged positions as the key to positions of power and control in society, and as the heart of knowledge work. As the natives becomes increasingly digital they may also become increasingly image-oriented, and decreasingly print literate. Education--schools and colleges--are assigned the task of providing the knowledge and skills the general culture fail to provide. As visual imagery and audio become increasingly pervasive in the general culture, it will fall to the schools and colleges to provide the core skills of print literacy which the digital natives will not develop by immersion in the media. What do you think? Steve E. For what it's worth, I think this is where exactly where things are moving. Though perhaps print literate isn't quite the right phrase. Typographically literate might work better (texts have too many possible connotations). What we are finding, ironically here at the School of Print Media, is a definite move away from the "willing" consumption of typographic texts (be they electronic or paper) by many of our students. We've found that also corresponds with problems articulating arguments and concepts (be it orally or written). The problem that I have with discussions of alternate learning modalities is that typographic text still remains the most prevalent method of understanding abstract concepts, especially in industries where media rich training is too costly to produce. As a technical school, we face the challenge of preparing students for jobs that don't currently exist, using software that we know will be antiquated by the time they leave the university (assuming a four year stint). I cannot, at this moment, foresee an immediate future where one can avoid developing the skills to parse technology manuals and/or typographic web content. It's for those reasons that I (and a number of my colleagues) are moving towards the model that Steve laid out in his final paragraph. We believe that the best way to make our students adaptable is to drill the core skills of typographic literacy (as well as the core skills that publishing production is based upon). I am working to come up with better ways to orient those skills in a larger media ecosystem. However, retrograde as it may sound, we believe that typographic literacy, and the skills that are developed through the study of it, are the foundation on which success will be based. - Matt -- ----------------------------- Matthew Bernius New Media and Customer Intelligence Strategist for Hire mBernius(a)gMail.com http://www.waking-dream.com

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Re: [Air-l] Why Am I Only Communicating with Text?
by Barry Saunders 27 May '07

27 May '07

I'm sorry, is this a joke? "The USA is not the only country in America." "The USA is not the only country in America." -- Barry Saunders http://investigativeblog.net http://blogopalypse.blogspot.com/ --------------------- PhD Candidate // researcher http://creativeindustries.qut.edu.au ph: 07 3138 0155 skype: barry_saunders (CRICOS No. 00213J) On 5/27/07, Nancy Baym <nbaym(a)ku.edu> wrote: > > > > >>At the risk of distracting from my points above, this is the American > list > >>of Internet Researchers. How come all of our text is in US English? The > USA > > >is not the only country in America. > > We have been through this many many times. Search the archives for > "English as a Language for International Communication" if you want > to read the previous discussion. > > There is no language restriction or policy on Air-L. > > Subscribers are free to post in any language they choose. > > Three of our eight conferences have been (or will be) held in the > United States. The other 5 were/will be located in Canada, England, > the Netherlands, and Australia. At this point we do not anticipate > that next year's conference will meet in the US. > > We are all aware that the US is neither the only country in America > nor the only country in which internet research is conducted. There > is no need to point that out. Many people on this list are not from > the US. Many people who come to the conferences are not from the US. > Many members of the executive committee past and present are not from > the US. I would argue that this association has done a great deal to > facilitate the exchange of internet research across international > boundaries since its inception. > > Why is most text on this list in English? Because most people on this > list recognize that for better or worse, English is the one language > we all understand. However, if anyone wants to post in other > languages, go for it. No one's going to stop the messages from going > through. > > Suely Fragoso started a parallel AoIR list meant to be trilingual > (Portuguese and Spanish as well as English). I am not sure how that > list is going (Suely? Others?). > > So please, before going off on yet another rant/distraction about the > Americanness of this Association make an itty bitty effort to get > facts and history straight. > > Can we pretty please talk about internet research for a while? That'd > be really cool. > > Nancy > > > _______________________________________________ > The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list > is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org > Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: > http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > http://www.aoir.org/ >

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Why Am I Only Communicating with Text?
by andrea baker 27 May '07

27 May '07

Hi, all, What I find at least as interesting as the discussion is *where* did the person who found the youtube.com video come across it? I had already seen it a few hours earlier, posting to another online community. Yes, the video is very, very good, and yet I wonder how it got disseminated so quickly. What were the crucial links there in that process? cheers, andee

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demos report:Logging On Culture, participation and the web
by Jeremy Hunsinger 26 May '07

26 May '07

http://www.demos.co.uk/publications/loggingon I've not read this report yet, but it looks like it might be worth reading. Jeremy Hunsinger Information Ethics Fellow, Center for Information Policy Research, School of Information Studies, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (www.cipr.uwm.edu) Words are things; and a small drop of ink, falling like dew upon a thought, produces that which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think. --Byron

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Re: [Air-l] Technology Transforming Education--EE-Learning
by William Bain 26 May '07

26 May '07

All, I wanted to comment on two or three things that have come out of this thread. First, on typography and using special effects on th listserve, this occurred to me, too, the othr day, as I observed a friend using different colors and fonts to send an e-mail. I'm trying it here, tho I suppose (hasty supposition?) that this will just come out on screen as regular black typeface. My question, however, is whether or not this list (with aoir permision) would be interested in using such special faces. It would, obviously, change the tenor of the discussions (I think). This leads to a second point: would there be interest in either exploring thes ideas of fonts, etc. offlist or in a group like the last.fm one Nancy Baym mentions (or in that same group, if I may be so presumptuous)? Does new.typeface conflate with last.fm? Finally, it seems to me that (following the lead of others who have meintioned similar things) the history of printing with its illuminated manuscripts, novels with engravings, illustrated mags, et6c., confirms that we're living in the virtual evolution of a process. ut pictura poesis & all that. Cheers, Will William Bain PhD Student Comparative Literature Department of Spanish Philology Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!

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Brave New Classrooms
by Marj Kibby 25 May '07

25 May '07

Apologies for the self-promotion but someone did ask .... Brave New Classrooms; Democratic Education & the Internet. (Digital Formations; V.37) Ed. By Joe Lockard And Mark Pegrum Binding: Paperback Publisher: Peter Lang Publishing Inc, 2007 ISBN-13: 9780820481234 ISBN: 0820481238 I use Alibris http://www.alibris.com/ to find best sources/prices for books. Marj Dr Marjorie Kibby, Senior Lecturer in Communication & Culture Faculty of Education and Arts The University of Newcastle, Callaghan NSW 2308 Australia Marj.Kibby(a)newcastle.edu.au +61 2 49216604

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Re: [Air-l] Technology Transforming Education--EE-Learning
by Matthew Bernius 25 May '07

25 May '07

You and I and all of us on this list are using "printed words," and only printed words, to do our communicating. Perhaps, being someone who spends a lot of time thinking about the physicality of "print" qua ink on a substrate, I have a difficulty referring to a monitor's strategically placed, projected black and white graphics as "print." It's type, but in electronic form. Hence typographic literacy... but I admit I'm splitting hairs here. I think that physical book ownership will become the domain of the wealthy,powerful,intellectual and religious elite worldwide. Why? Because digital publishing can now be done cheaply on a global scale with print, audio and video through iTunes I actually think there will be a further split in the so called book market between disposable books and archived (perhaps "fine art") books. This isn't anything new, btw. You mentioned digital publishing, it's worth mentioning that digital book publishing is one of those tools that can also be done cheaply and, with shipping, effectively on a global scale. Producing a single copy of a black and white, perfect bound, soft cover book can runs below $3.00. Anyone today can publish a book (provided they take the time to learn how to do basic layout), and with a $20 purchase of a block of ISBN number get it into Amazon without ever having to invest in inventory or go through traditional publishing gatekeepers. What's currently lagging behind is democratic authoring software. That's primarily a technology issue. We are fast approaching a time (thanks to XML, the internet, variable data printing technologies, etc) where anyone can get a cheap copy of any public domain document for an insignificant (at least in Western terms) investment. Does that not mean that electronic paper will eventually change everything? Nope. But as Steve has already pointed out, that's still going to use typographic characters to facilitate communication. - Matt -- ----------------------------- Matthew Bernius New Media and Customer Intelligence Strategist for Hire mBernius(a)gMail.com http://www.waking-dream.com

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last.fm group
by Nancy Baym 25 May '07

25 May '07

If any of you are Last.fm users, I've started a new Last.fm group 'Internet Researchers.' Please join! :) Nancy

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Re: [Air-l] Technology Transforming Education--EE-Learning
by William Bain 25 May '07

25 May '07

Hello All, I just wanted to ask something here. Chris Heidelberg wrote: "Professors are taught to cover and emphasize what to emphasize based on the content; whereas, as a producer/writer who has produced and hosted instructional television for years we are taught to focus on our audience first and to wrap the same content with the same emphasis so that it has emphasis where it needs it through the use of music, effects, voice and visual impact." So the question is this: Isn't there a strong indication that a good repeat good deal more teaching will be done by avatars? Inside or outside traditional classrooms? For what it's worth, I'd point to one link that seems to me interesting in this regard. Just asking, remember, no expert but interested in scripts & differAnt new techs. https://www.cs.tcd.ie/Soha.Maad/dossier_smaad/ERCIM_REPORT/HCII2003_maads.p… Cheers, Will William Bain PhD Student Comparative Literature Department of Spanish Philology Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

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