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life cycle of online discussions: references? (was: SW to store webpages)
by M.B.Gaved 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

hi all I'm wondering if anybody can help me with a reference, this current discussion has got me thinking about the 'lifecycle' that mailing list debates generally seem to go through. After a particularly fiery college mailing list debate, a colleague mentioned he'd come across a paper somebody had written on the lifecycle of mailing list discussions - it might have been specifically flamewars, or perhaps just mailing list debates in general. It might have come from IBM research labs? Can anybody point me at this or any other papers on the subject? all the best Mark -------------------------------------------- Mark Gaved KMi, Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA +44 (0) 1908 6 54513 m.b.gaved(a)open.ac.uk http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark/ -------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: air-l-aoir.org-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-aoir.org-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Koenig Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:34 AM To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] SW to store webpages Jeremy Hunsinger wrote: > you might doubt it, but it is a fact of the interface and its > limitations. you could disagree there, but then you would be sorely > pressed when faced with the full powers of the unix command-line. 1) Are you aware that HTTrack also offers a command line interface for Unix? 2) I am a social scientist, as I (maybe wrongly) thought were most of the people on this list. I am familiar with UNIX, which already seems to be kind of a rarity among social scientists. Most of us aren't and, I might add, shouldn't. For most purposes WebCopier seems an entirely sufficient tool. Why shouldn't it? Give me examples, where its limitations pose a problem. > which is also one of the reasons a unix user can do more with wget > than httrack can do, but there is plenty of evidence in that arena > already. If there is, why don't you refer to that evidence? I gave already several sources, including the article by Kellogg, which concludes: "With little coding, HTTrack can be extended to meet immediate mirroring needs." > as for the explanation marks, it was turning very clearly into a troll > war. Now, who's the other troll besides myself? I really don't appreciate this "dissent" equals "trolling" allegations. And I do think that the metaphor of a troll has become overused in CMC. > little escalations such as the exclamation mark will be interpreted in > many ways, and i don't know your intent, but I do know that at least > one person saw it as a slight. Well: If an exclamation mark is considered to be "an escalation", what's next? Banning of question marks? An exclamation mark might be ambiguous, although, I think, I clarified now at length what I wanted to say. In contrast: "kindly leave your exclamation marks at home." is much less ambiguous in my view. It is clearly an imperative, which I happen to disagree with. > let's not go there. Why not? Obviously, there is disagreement on this list about it, so the only way to solve this disagreement seems to me to voice one's opinions. I, for one, think, that the approach to try not to offend anyone no matter what, is a bad one, because it stifles discussions. That does not mean that one should not try to be courteous, one clearly should, but academic deliberations live from dissent, which is bound to offend those, whose primary goal is harmony. I personally am not willing to phrase my postings in a way, so that I make sure that nobody gets offended. I try to follow the rules offered by Joshua Cohen: > 1. Deliberations take place in an argumentative fashion, through the > ordered exchange of reasons > and information among counterparts that make proposals and submitt > them to criticism. > 2. Deliberations are inclusive and public, and all the potentially > affected by their decisions must > have equal oppportunities to paticipate and to decide in them. > 3. Deliberations are free of inner coercions able to undermine the > equal position of participants, and > everyone must have the opportunity to be heard, to introduce new > issues, to make proposals and to criticize > them. The coercion without coercions of the best argument is the only > rule for accepting or refusing an > argument. > 4. Deliberations are generally oriented to reach a rationally grounded > agreement, and can in > principle be continued or resumed in any given moment, yet the need > for decision demands them to have an > agreed final point. > 5. Political deliberations reaches all those issues that can be > regulated on behalf of the public > interest, but that is not to say that issues traditionally judged as > 'private' must forcefuly remain out of > discussion. > 6. Political deliberations are also extended to the interpretation of > needs and to changes in prepolitical > attitudes and preferences. (Cohen, Joshua (1996), "Procedure and Substance in Deliberative Democracy", in S. Benhabib (ed.), Democracy and Difference. Contesting the Boundaries of the Political, Princeton: Princeton University Press, pp. 95-119.) Habermas, in "Between Facts and Norms" (Faktizitaet und Geltung), quotes BTW the same rules. These rules were initially intended for political decision making, but also seem appropriate for academic deliberations.. I don't see, that I violated any of theses rules. Frankly, I even guess you and I would agree on most of these points and on many other points. So, it's even more interesting to see, where we disagree. Thomas, preffering Unix over Windows, but acknowledging that the latter is the the OS of this decade. (BTW: I also switched from HighCom to Dolby for the same reasons) -- thomas koenig, ph.d. http://www.lboro.ac.uk/research/mmethods/staff/thomas/ _______________________________________________ The Air-l-aoir.org(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/

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SW to store webpages
by Deanya Lattimore 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

Internet Explorer has an option called a waff file -- it allows you to archive a website as many links deep as you like, excluding links to other sites if you so desire, including pictures, movies, etc. In Internet Explorer, go to your File... Save as... and choose the Web Archive function. :-D. Deanya Lattimore, ABD Syracuse Writing Program http://www.deanya.com/ On Sunday, June 5, 2005, at 03:06 PM, air-l-aoir.org-request(a)listserv.aoir.org wrote: > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:59:39 +0100 > From: <s.vicari(a)reading.ac.uk> > Subject: [Air-l] SW to store webpages > To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org > Message-ID: <E1Deuj5-0007Br-00@vimb3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > > I am a PhD student at the University of Reading, Uk. I am running a > study on > 200 protest group websites. Would you suggest any good SW to store > whole > websites offline? > > Thanks a lot, at the moment I am a bit lost in links and buttons... > ste > > >> > Stefania Vicari > PhD student in Sociology > University of Reading > PO Box 218, > Reading, RG6 6AA, > United Kingdom.

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what is "the digital divide"?
by Barry Wellman 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

In view of all the interesting discussion about deconstructing "the digital divide" hereiin "What is the digital divide? It seems like specialized jargon to me." That is the question that a copy-editor asked a student of mine who had contributed a chapter to a book about the internet. I wuz flabbergasted. We pointed out that it was a widely used term, defined it, showed that there were > 3M entries for it on Google and > 11K on Google Scholar. Still waiting for the copyeditor's apology. Barry _____________________________________________________________________ Barry Wellman Professor of Sociology NetLab Director wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 To network is to live; to live is to network _____________________________________________________________________

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Re: [Air-l] SW to store webpages
by Kaye Trammell 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

I've done a bit of downloading/archiving of entire Web sites before. I've used Webstripper & Webwhacker - both cost a small fee I think. Both products can do really well with smaller stand-alone sites (mostly what you're using it for) but I strongly discourage you to use these tools for larger sites (like media sites - even if you restrict it to 2 levels). I have found better luck when I switched to a Mac - DeepVacuum is great. One word of advice no matter which tool you use: back it up everyday & write it to CD ROM then get those files off your computer. During the EU elections I was pulling down content & keeping about a weeks worth of stuff before I backed it up & wrote it to CD (to save money & not have 10 CDs). Bad idea. My entire laptop harddrive died & I lost everything on my primary computer. Hard lesson. Good luck. Kaye ____________________________________ Kaye Trammell, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Manship School of Mass Communication 212 Hodges Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803-7202 trammell(a)lsu.edu Office 225/578-7380 Fax 225/578-2125

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Re: [Air-l] digital divide in use - more suggestions?
by GTa3411203＠aol.com 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

Will you also be taking into consideration what impact the influx of portable hand-held devices, such as PDAs and cellphones with Internet capabilities, might have on current understandings of the digital divide? The existing research tends to focus on what might be called proven technologies whereas mobile devices are emerging technologies. It is possible to speculate what impact these emerging technologies will have on current understandings by looking at recent studies from around the world that are reporting who is buying what device and how they are using them. Gail Taylor Human Resource Education Ph.D. Student University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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Re: [Air-l] digital divide in use - more suggestions?
by Sherida Ryan 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

In terms of digital literacy as an element of digital divide in use, I would suggest looking at: Burbules, N., & Callister, T. A. (2000). Watch IT: The risks and promises of information technologies for education.Boulder, CO: Westview Press. particularly Chapter 2 Burbules, N. (2001). Paradoxes of the web: The ethical dimensions of credibility. Library Trends, 49(3), 441-453. and Warnick, B. (2002). Critical literacy in a digital era:Technology, rhetoric, and the public interest. Mahwah, N.J: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates. Warnick, B. (2004). Online ethos: Source credibility in an "authorless" environment. American Behavioral Scientist, 48(2), 256-265. Hope this helps, Sherida Ryan Doctoral Fellow Adult Education OISE/UT At 02:20 PM 05/06/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" >content-class: urn:content-classes:message > >[Crossposted to DDN + AOIR, sorry for that!] > >Hello everybody, > >I'm doing research within the erea of internet and the digital divide >(like many of you, i suppose ;-) ) >Most of the literature treats the internet as one uniform medium. In >reality, the internet exists of different applications like websites, >usenet, listserv, blogs, email, IM, ... > >I was wondering if there exists some research about the consequences of >this difference in use and it's relationship to the digital divide-theory. >Most of the time, the digital divide is constraint to the difference in >internet access, but the future will bring us perhaps only a difference in >internet use (some only use general websites, while others use all >different applications). > >The term 'digital divide in use' is somewhat what i'm looking for, but not >exctly i guess. Also the term digital literacy is quite helpful ... > >Anyone more suggestions about literature? Or your opinion about this subject? > >Thanks in advance! > >MichaÃ«l > > > > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: Deborah Elizabeth Finn [mailto:deborah.elizabeth.finn@gmail.com] >Verzonden: za 4/06/2005 22:47 >Aan: The Digital Divide Network discussion group >CC: >Onderwerp: [DDN] Bragging Rights in Boston > > > > (A version of this item is also available through my blog at > ><http://blog.deborah.elizabeth.finn.com/blog/_archives/2005/6/2/903714.html>; > the blog version provides live links to more information about > some of > the people and organizations mentioned here.) > > > Dear Colleagues, > > On Wednesday evening, the Boston 501 Tech Club had a record > turnout of > over 70 nonprofit techies! It was the largest gathering ever in the > history of the regional 501 Tech Clubs. > > Here are a few factors that go into an event like this one: > > - We had a dedicated team of planners: Merove Heifetz of Earthwatch > Institute (the outgoing convener of the Boston club), Beth Sousa of > Families First (the incoming convener), Kathleen Sherwin of Tech > Foundation, and yours truly. > > - The planners met several weeks in advance, to get acquainted in > person, to brainstorm about desired outcomes, and to plan for the > transition to a new convener. We then stayed in touch by email and > conference call. > > - TechFoundation generously underwrote the cost of the venue, food, > and drinks. Furthermore, Kathleen Sherwin, ably assisted by Colleen > Higgins (also of TechFoundation), deployed her superlative skills as > an event manager. > > - TechFoundation also generously underwrote my time as a consultant > to bring various pieces of the puzzle together, and to do outreach to > individuals and groups who may not have previously known about the > Boston 501 Tech Club or considered attending one of its events. > > - The event was held outdoors at a time of year when most people > crave a little fresh air and sunshire, and it didn't rain. > > - The venue was easily accessible by public > transportation. (Parking > was also available, which definitely counts for something in Harvard > Square.) > > I'd summarize the most important take-aways in this way: > > - If you feed them, they will come. This costs money. > > - Events of this sort are labor intensive. Volunteers who have > other > full-time jobs can't be expected to do all the work. Hiring > professionals costs money. > > - It's important for potential attendees to receive personal > invitations (or to hear about the event) from people they know. > > However, it's also important not to overlook what we as the planners > could take for granted: our region can boast of a first-rate talent > pool of current and aspiring nonprofit techies. We have an abundance > of philanthropic spirit, utopian vision, and technological genius > here > in Massachusetts. Rich in human capital, we desperately need the > financial and institutional resources to bring it all together to > serve the nonprofit sector. This new partnership between the Boston > 501 Tech Club and TechFoundation may bring help to bring us to the > tipping point. > > Go, team! > > Best regards from Deborah > > P.S. Full disclosure of financial relationship: I used to serve as > TechFoundation's national nonprofit liaison officer and director of > its Boston TechConnect program, and am currently working with TF on a > consulting basis. > > > Deborah Elizabeth Finn > Boston, Massachusetts, USA > deborah_elizabeth_finn(a)post.harvard.edu > http://blog.deborah.elizabeth.finn.com/blog > http://public.xdi.org/=deborah.elizabeth.finn > > _______________________________________________ > DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list > DIGITALDIVIDE(a)mailman.edc.org > http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide > To unsubscribe, send a message to > digitaldivide-request(a)mailman.edc.org with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the > body of the message. > >_______________________________________________ >The Air-l-aoir.org(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/

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Fwd: Second Annual Peoria Prize for Creativity
by Ed Lamoureux 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Announcing the Second Annual $10,000 Peoria Prize for Creativity Last year, creative teams of artists, engineers, scientists, and entrepreneurs from all over the country and the world competed for the inaugural $10,000 Peoria Prize for Creativity. I am pleased to announce the call for submissions for the Second Annual Peoria Prize for Creativity. The Peoria Prize is a $10,000 award for a creative project that is produced through a collaboration between a person or persons from the arts or humanities communities and a person or persons from the science, engineering, or business communities. It can be a project that is rendered in almost any form. I urge you to present this opportunity to your partners, colleagues, coworkers, and collaborators. Detailed information on the Peoria Prize for Creativity including a description of the prize and submission criteria can be found at www.peoriaprize.com. Creative teams with collaborators from all over the country and the world competed for last year's Peoria Prize. The winner of the 2005 Peoria Prize for Creativity was Hands Across the Ocean: The Lost Chord, an extraordinary project from the Digital Worlds Institute at Florida State University that involved 70 world-wide collaborators. A description of this winning project and those of the other two finalists can be found at <www.peoriaprize.com>. If you have any questions concerning the Prize, its sponsorship, or its procedures, please feel free to contact me as per the information below. I can't think of a better community of creative people than those represented by Dorkbot and ArtBots and their constituents who would compete strongly for this Prize. The Second Annual Peoria Prize for Creativity will be awarded in a special ceremony on April 28, 2006 at the Peoria Civic Center in Peoria, Illinois. Jeffrey Huberman, Dean Slane College of Communications and Fine Arts Bradley University Peoria, IL 61625 309-677-2360 office 309-677-3750 fax huberman(a)bradley.edu > > Edward Lee Lamoureux, Ph. D. Director, Multimedia Program and New Media Center Associate Professor, Speech Communication 1501 W. Bradley Bradley University Peoria IL 61625 309-677-2378 http://hilltop.bradley.edu/~ell/ http://gcc.bradley.edu/mm/

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Re: [Air-l] Delphi Method & Webdesign
by Irene Berkowitz 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Experience with the Delphi, not for Web design. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:36:16 +0200 >From: "Niels Hendriks" <niels.hendriks(a)mda.khlim.be> >Subject: [Air-l] Delphi Method & Webdesign >To: <air-l-aoir.org(a)listserv.aoir.org> > >Hi List-members, > >does any of you have experience with using the Delphi method to initiate web design projects? > > >Thanks for your replies! > > >Niels >_______________________________________________ >The Air-l-aoir.org(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/ Irene Berkowitz Director of Curricular Publications Temple University Office of the Vice Provost 215-204-7596 Please note my new email address below and update your address records accordingly. irene.berkowitz(a)temple.edu

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AoIR Executive elections
by Matthew Allen 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Dear all I am pleased to announce that nominations for candidacy for election to the AoIR executive have now closed and a strong and diverse field of candidates has emerged. There is more than one candidate for all the positions (see below). We will now have a month of discussion and consideration prior to the commencement of voting in July. This discussion will take place through asynchronous (bulletin board) forums at http://forums.aoir.org. At this site, after creating a simple account (done automatically when you register), you may: - read the position statements of the candidates (that are based on answers to questions agreed by the current exec) - initiate discussion with any and all candidates by posting questions or raising issues with them - follow the debate between candidates and voters I will provide further information closer to the end of June on the simple voting procedure. I can announce that Jennifer Stromer-Galley of University of Albany has been appointed again as ballot counter. The candidates are: Vice President/President-elect Charles Ess; James Watt Treasurer Alex Halavais; Catherine Middleton; Monica Murero Secretary Irene Berkowitz; Sabryna Cornish; Elijah Wright Graduate Student Representative Ted Coopman; Anu Mundkur; Lois Scheidt; Gail Taylor; Stephanie Tuszynski; Elizabeth Van-Couvering Open Seats (3 to be elected) Ellis Godard; Stine Gotved; Caroline Haythornthwaite; Mark Johns; Randy Kluver; Holly Kruse; Ed Lamoureux; Kate O'Riordan; Antonio Roversi; Malin Sveningsson; Jamie Switzer; Michele White Dr Matthew Allen Associate Professor Internet Studies Associate Dean Teaching and Learning, Humanities Curtin University of Technology, CRICOS 00301J Australia m.allen(a)curtin.edu.au http://smi.curtin.edu.au/netstudies/allen.htm +61 8 92663511 (v) +61 8 9266 3166 (f) Vice-President, Association of Internet Researchers http://www.aoir.org

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[Fwd: The Politics of Open Source Adoption]
by Karim R. Lakhani 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Hi All, This may be of interest to various folks! Looks very interesting... Karim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The Politics of Open Source Adoption Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:00:57 -0400 From: Joe Karaganis <karaganis(a)ssrc.org> To: <opensource(a)MIT.EDU> Hello open source research group, I want to point your attention to our new posted, online collaborative report / wiki, and invite participation from your network. Could you circulate and/or post as appropriate? Thanks! Joe Karaganis Program Officer Social Science Research Council karaganis(a)ssrc.org (212) 377-2700, ext. 469 fax: (212) 377-2727 *The Politics of Open Source Adoption* Read – Contribute – Win! The Social Science Research Council invites you to collaborate on a real-time history of the politics of open source software adoption. We are pleased to offer a first version of this account—POSA 1.0 (500KB .pdf)--in both .pdf and wiki versions*,* at _http://www.ssrc.org/wiki/POSA_ . POSA 1.0 includes contributions from Gabriella Coleman, Kenneth Cukier, Shay David, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh, Eugene Kim, Volker Grassmuck, Bildad Kagai, Nicolas Kimolo, and Jennifer Urban, and is edited by Joe Karaganis (SSRC) and Robert Latham (SSRC). Our project begins with the observation that accounts of the Free and/or Open Source Software (F/OSS) movement, to date, have been oriented mostly by the improbable fact of F/OSS’s existence. At this stage of F/OSS development and advocacy, we want to ask a different set of questions—not how open source works as a social and technical project, or whether open source provides benefits in terms of cost, security, etc., but rather how open source is becoming embedded in political arenas and policy debates. For our purposes, understanding the ‘politics of adoption’ means stepping back from the task of explaining or justifying F/OSS in order to ask how increasingly canonical explanations and justifications are mobilized in different political contexts. POSA 1.0 maps many of the different kinds of political and institutional venues in which F/OSS adoption is at stake. It tries to understand important institutional actors within those venues, and the ways in which arguments for and against F/OSS are framed and advanced. It seeks to clarify the different opportunities and constraints facing F/OSS adoption in different sectors and parts of the world. It is an inevitably partial account that--we hope--can be extended and deepened by other participants in these processes. We invite your help in preparing POSA 2.0. To sweeten the pot, two prizes of $250 will be awarded to the best contributions to POSA 2.0 -- Karim R. Lakhani MIT Sloan | The Boston Consulting Group Mobile: +1 (617) 851-1224 http://spoudaiospaizen.net http://web.mit.edu/lakhani/www | http://opensource.mit.edu

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