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RE: [Air-l] Abstract: Measure of Discussion Activity in Threaded Discussion Spaces
by Avner Caspi 13 Aug '02

13 Aug '02

-----Original Message----- From: David Wiley [mailto:david@wiley.ed.usu.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:07 PM To: 'air-l(a)aoir.org' Cc: david.wiley(a)usu.edu Subject: RE: [Air-l] Abstract: Measure of Discussion Activity in Threaded Discussion Spaces Thanks for your feedback! I'll try to address these issues all at once. First, as for the semantics of the d value, d is the average reply depth; in other words, d simply tells you what level of reply the average message is at. So, for the tiny thread: A (Reply depth of 0) -B (Reply depth of 1) --C (Reply depth of 2) The unadjusted reply depth would be (0+1+2)/3 = 1. The paper presents some adjustments to fine tune this value, which almost always lower it. So, the difference between d=13 and d=2 is that the d=13 thread would have to look like this: A -B --C ---D <snip> -----------L ------------M -------------N --------------O --------------O --------------O with many more 14th level replies for the value to ever get over 13, while a d=2 thread looks much more normal, something like: A -B --C ---D ---D ---D ---D d=13 tells you that one group is discussing something to a much more significant depth than the group whose d=2. As for the value seeming to grow in size as the number of messages grew, this should not happen as d is intended to be an average, and should therefore be unaffected by the size of the archive. The discussion in the paper is obviously not be clear enough (which is why I asked AoIR for feedback!). I will try to fix this. Also, would you be willing to send me the archive whose d=13 so that I could run it through our software here? I would love to see it! Perhaps it is domain specific, but in newsgroups dedicate to humanities you'll find very deep threads. Two examples I digged: alt.culture.fyrom and alt.news.macedonia . I checked your thumbnail in Hebrew public newsgroups (philosophy, to that matter), therefore I can't send you that archive. Have only just skimmed this but it looks excellent! Our goal was to create a value that provides a thumbnail of the level of discussion activity whose calculation is easily automated, so that it could be integrated into Course Management Systems and the like. It looks like this paper you've referenced could help improve our calculation. Many thanks for this pointer and your other feedback! Avner

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RE: [Air-l] wanted contact in San Francisco area for research on Internet Studies
by Kris Gowen 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Try Clifford Nass and Byron Reeves at Stanford University. They are in the Communication Department. Kris Gowen, PhD AB, Communication, 1990 -----Original Message----- From: Denise N. Rall [mailto:denrall@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:52 PM To: air-l(a)aoir.org Subject: [Air-l] wanted contact in San Francisco area for research on Internet Studies Dear AIR'ers - I'm searching for an academic in the Bay area to interview on my research topic - the nascent field of Internet Studies. I have contacted SFState, Berkeley and UCSF (which seems to be a medical school?). UC-Berkeley has been helpful but not working in that area. This is for the upcoming dates, August 20-30. Any and all 'leads' appreciated. Thanks in advance for your kind responses, Denise Rall ===== "it's easier to use your mouse than your brain" Denise Rall, Sustainable Forestry Mentoring Coordinator & PhD student, School of Education, Southern Cross University, PO Box 157, Lismore, NSW, 2480 Australia Phone +61-2-6624-8627 Fax +61-2-6624-8637 Office (Tuesdays) (02) 6620 3577 Mob 0438 233 344 http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/edu/research/deniserall/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ Air-l mailing list Air-l(a)aoir.org http://www.aoir.org/mailman/listinfo/air-l

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Contact with researchers on e-Voting
by Robert KRIMMER 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Dear Air-L Readers! I'm looking for contact with other researchers worldwide, who also work on the field of e-voting for exchange of interesting material and to stay up2date on current developments. Currently I write my thesis about e-Voting in the german-speaking countries Austria/Germany/Switzerland.

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Cyberarts Research Initiative
by Arun Kumar Tripathi 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Dear Internet Researchers, [This posting is forwarded via thanks and courtesy (Spasiba) to Professor Irina Aristarkhova. Members are free to contact her at <uspia(a)nus.edu.sg>] Cyberarts is a new dimension of art making that synthesize intersecting and interfacing technologies and embraces artworks that go beyond "digital media". The term "cyber" is actually derived from the Greek root word "kubernare", which means the "act of controlling the ship". Cyberarts as defined by contemporary of art practice, include the following . digital painting; photography, video, computer animation-, holographic art; virtual reality environments; robotic arts; net-art; human-machine interfaces; bio-arts; computer music/sound arts as well as hybrid arts (works which involve collaboration with other art forms like dance or theatre) Dr. Irina Aristarkhova teaches the pioneering studio-based course, Cyberarts, in the Programme. She was formerly Senior Lecturer at the LASALLE-SIA College of the Arts where she taught courses in Cybertheory, Feminist Theory, Feminist Aesthetics, Technology and Embodiment and Contemporary Psychoanalytic Theory. She holds an MA from the University of Warwick, UK, and PhD from the Institute of Sociology, Russian Academy of Sciences. Since July 2001 Professor Irina Aristarkhova has been directing Cyberarts Research Initiative (http://www.cyberarts.scholars.nus.edu.sg) -an ambitious Art & Technology research project, first of its kind in South-East Asia. Cyberarts/Cyberculture Research Initiative (CCRI) --is a blending of arts and technology, Cyberarts is a recent course and research innovation at the University Scholars Programme at the National University of Singapore. The university's Cyberarts Initiative is the first of its kind in the region and one of the most comprehensive in the world with its Cyberarts database, Cyberarts resource library, Artist-in-Residence programme, Virtual Reality Collaboration Research, undergraduate, postgraduate and postdoctoral programme development in Cyberculture and Cyberarts. Cyberart and Cyberculture constitute new disciplines that began twenty years ago in Europe, Japan, and America. The United States Government recently established an Art and Technology Department. Many other universities and political bodies around the world have also created centers for the Cyberarts, New Media Art, and Cyberculture. These centers study digital and virtual aesthetics and embody both the creative impact of new technologies and the meeting place between art and the life sciences. For details, please visit the web sites at http://www.cyberartsweb.org/ and http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/faculty/uspia.html In Southeast Asia, the discipline is in its infancy. It is the goal of CCRI to encourage regional artists, scientists, and theorists to work in this field and to showcase their work on an international level. With that goal in mind, CCRI attracts some of the greatest artists and theorists working in the cyberarts scene, and serves as a clearinghouse for worldwide, but especially Southeast Asian, activities in cyberarts. Please register yourself to the "Cyberarts Database" at: http://www.cyberartsweb.scholars.nus.edu.sg/database/join.html or http://www.cyberartsweb.org/database/join.html And add your articles to the database too through another button. Thanks very much. Best regards, Arun Tripathi ECP Ring Leader <http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/ringleaders/arun.html> ======================================================================== ==== For let me tell you, that the more the pleasures of the body fade away, the greater to me is the pleasure and charm of conversation.-PLATO ======================================================================== ====

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research on yahoo groups
by jvc＠mit.edu 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Hi Everyone, I am doing research on a newsgroup hosted by yahoo groups that has more than 10 000 messages. Because it's based on "yahoo groups" there is no easy way to get all the messages in a file (as one could do for a USENET group). After much toil, I found a program that does it. Here's the link http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~zeitlin/yahoo2mbox.html Hope this is useful Joao

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hmm, last mile, imaginations, and historical projections
by jeremy hunsinger 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

I'm sitting here looking at several fairly substantial proposals for programs taking rural last mile broadband into account and was thinking that taking the lastmile to the house in rural america may not have the effects that are projected. any opinions, theories, thoughts? I'm thinking that there is corresponding detraditionalizations that may not have lasting positive effects on these communities, though immediate economic effects may occur. I'm thinking this will promote an overall migration and population transition toward more urbanization, etc. which of course is not supportive to small rural communities, which may in the end result in a new gentrification of those communities by displaces upper class urbanites looking to operate off of the broadband, thus possibly creating the same situation as occured with industrialization with the automobile in the south. again, thoughts, theories, opinions? I mean what we have is a certain number of imaginations of the future, sometimes even supported by research and i could really use some more citations on this, that seem to assume a certain set of goods in development and goods in the expansion of technologies for the populace... so in short, let me know. jeremy hunsinger jhuns(a)vt.edu on the ibook www.cddc.vt.edu www.cddc.vt.edu/jeremy www.dromocracy.com () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Re: [Air-l] list of mailinglists gone?
by Frank Schaap 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Jeremy wrote: > it will return, probably not today, i've too many fires to put out. It > went down with the site last night. Thanks Jeremy. Charlie also informed me it will return sometime later. It's just that I choose today to validate the links on my site and ran across a dead link at aoir.org for which I couldn't find a substitute :) Frank. -- Fragments Blog == http://fragment.nl Cyberculture Resources == http://fragment.nl/resources/

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list of mailinglists gone?
by Frank Schaap 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

Hi, There used to be a list of mailinglists relevant to the researchers of this list available at: http://www.aoir.org/list.php but it appears to have gone away or moved. Maybe I missed the announcement of it moving, but could someone enlighten me about what happened to this page? Thanks :) Frank. -- Fragments Blog == http://fragment.nl Cyberculture Resources == http://fragment.nl/resources/

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RE: [Air-l] Abstract: Measure of Discussion Activity in Threaded Discussion Spaces
by Avner Caspi 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

-----Original Message----- From: David Wiley [mailto:david@wiley.ed.usu.edu <mailto:david@wiley.ed.usu.edu> ] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:07 PM To: 'air-l(a)aoir.org' Cc: david.wiley(a)usu.edu Subject: RE: [Air-l] Abstract: Measure of Discussion Activity in Threaded Discussion Spaces Thanks for your feedback! I'll try to address these issues all at once. First, as for the semantics of the d value, d is the average reply depth; in other words, d simply tells you what level of reply the average message is at. So, for the tiny thread: A (Reply depth of 0) -B (Reply depth of 1) --C (Reply depth of 2) The unadjusted reply depth would be (0+1+2)/3 = 1. The paper presents some adjustments to fine tune this value, which almost always lower it. So, the difference between d=13 and d=2 is that the d=13 thread would have to look like this: A -B --C ---D <snip> -----------L ------------M -------------N --------------O --------------O --------------O with many more 14th level replies for the value to ever get over 13, while a d=2 thread looks much more normal, something like: A -B --C ---D ---D ---D ---D d=13 tells you that one group is discussing something to a much more significant depth than the group whose d=2. As for the value seeming to grow in size as the number of messages grew, this should not happen as d is intended to be an average, and should therefore be unaffected by the size of the archive. The discussion in the paper is obviously not be clear enough (which is why I asked AoIR for feedback!). I will try to fix this. Also, would you be willing to send me the archive whose d=13 so that I could run it through our software here? I would love to see it! Perhaps it is domain specific, but in newsgroups dedicate to humanities you'll find very deep threads. Two examples I digged: alt.culture.fyrom and alt.news.macedonia . I checked your thumbnail in Hebrew public newsgroups (philosophy, to that matter), therefore I can't send you that archive. Have only just skimmed this but it looks excellent! Our goal was to create a value that provides a thumbnail of the level of discussion activity whose calculation is easily automated, so that it could be integrated into Course Management Systems and the like. It looks like this paper you've referenced could help improve our calculation. Many thanks for this pointer and your other feedback! Avner

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AoIR hacked?
by Ildiko Kaposi 11 Aug '02

11 Aug '02

I've never seen an actual website freshly hacked, so perhaps this is nothing. But would a message saying "hax0rs lab - hax0rs(a)mail.com - SunOS charlemagne 5.8 Generic_108528-10 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60 hacked!" mean that's what happened? If so, AoIR may need to rethink the site's security, because the message is from aoir.org. Unless this is the online community's welcome message to all of us making a living from researching them:) Ildiko

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