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Re: [Air-l] AIR in Vancouver in 2007?
by Andrew Herman 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

Vancouver sounds great! Andrew Herman, Ph. D. Associate Professor Department of Communication Studies Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5 CANADA 519 884-1970 x3693 >>> smith(a)sfu.ca 02/28/06 7:18 PM >>> Dear fellow AIR members, As a break from the current discussions on teens and IM and SMS and all that, I have a question. Want to come to Vancouver in 2007? I had a wonderful time at the AIR conference in Chicago last fall, and I am looking forward to Brisbane this fall (spring there, I guess). A few years ago I was at the Maastricht and Toronto AIR conferences and enjoyed those, as well. All of which is a preface to my seeming madness at what I am about to propose - hosting the next, next AIR (2007) in Vancouver, Canada. I think it is time to give something back. I haven't done a formal proposal yet, and only spoken about it to a few people here in Vancouver, so if others are thinking similarly and are further along, let me know and I can tag along. If others think this is a good idea and would like to help out - please contact me directly (smith(a)sfu.ca) If you think this is a bad idea and I should NOT pursue it, I'd certainly like to hear about that, too! I will be approaching the executive in the next week or so, with a few cost estimates and suggestions for venues. I think we can have a fun, interesting, and exciting conference here in Vancouver, and I look forward to showing you our lovely home. In the mean time, feedback is most welcome. ...r -- Richard Smith, Associate Professor School of Communication Simon Fraser University, 515 West Hastings Street, Vancouver, CANADA V6B 5K3 Phone: 604 291 5116 Web: http://www.sfu.ca/~smith/ Mobitus: 2001 1070 0578 skype - callto://richard_k_smith PGP Public Key: http://arago.cprost.sfu.ca/smith/ richardsmithpublickey.asc _______________________________________________ The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/

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myspace and your data
by Barry Wellman 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

I really appreciated Danah's post on MySpace because it gave some specific data on age, socioeconomic status, etc. My plea is that others do the same. Even if you discuss with your university students, a bit about what the sample size is, where located, age, and rough ethnicity/socioeconomic description would be appreciated. It will help people understand what you are saying and place it in context. My other plea is to try to write in jargon-free English as much as possible. Sometimes jargon is necessary, but this is an international, interdisciplinary list, and clear writing would be great. If you look at the most recent digest, it is jargon-filled, and even from a linguistics professor! Barry _____________________________________________________________________ Barry Wellman Professor of Sociology NetLab Director wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 To network is to live; to live is to network _____________________________________________________________________

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Marika Lüders 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

> I would expect that to have grown up immersed in a technology, > rather than constantly working to integrate it, has a great effect on > how one then views that technology's relationship to one's daily life > and how one compares social interaction with/through it to other forms > of interaction. This is clearly why there is such an immense focus on teens and technology: to study how technologically mediated interaction is part and parcel of their social lives. Different qualitative studies seem to show a few of the same tendencies, as do my own study of 20 Norwegian teenagers between 15 and 18 (all avid users of various personal media such as IM, IRC [yes, still], blogs/LiveJournal, mobile phones): 1) online communication is hardly seen as a substitute for face-to-face interaction but rather as a supplement. 2) face-to-face interaction is still valued as more authentic (my informants' choice of concept). 3) Consequently youth do have a sense of stigma around online socializing in cases where online communication supplants face-to-face interaction. At least this is how I interpret my informants when they talk about all the benefits of using personal media (e.g. easier to admit things and be open, and the flexibility of online socializing), yet still emphasize that face-to-face interaction is their preferred mode of socializing. None of my informants see their own use of personal media as embarrassing or problematic, but believe that their online and mediated activities supplement their offline social lives (and are furhtermore beneficial for their offline social lives). I think it is essential to remember that the history of personal media did not start with computer-mediated communication. Avid users of the telephone were hardly stigmatized, were they? Women chatting on the telephone were at least perceived as anything but anti-social (and how interesting to compare this image of "chatty women" with the contemplating and virtuous act of writing letters). Thankfully, online communication is generally no longer labeled as being anti-social, and the nuances and differences between forms of mediated interaction are acknowledged. Marika

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Steffasong＠aol.com 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

>> Is the notion of online social activity as "not real" a generational issue - are we now the generation that doesnt adequately understand that generation? and how might we re-define notions of digital divide considering all this? >> This is an interesting question, Radhika -- one I've been working on in one configuration or another for about a decade. Re. Facebook: The students I have informally interviewed have described an interesting twist in what you and others here are finding. The most recent student I spoke with, a 20 year-old junior, explained to me that his "life is going much better since he's backed off myspace." Of course, I found this comment wildly interesting and pursued it further. He explained that he had spent so much time in front of the computer screen for the past two years that he didn't realize how addicted he was to relationships that "weren't real." Said he was happy to get out again and see people in person. When I asked about the rest of his friends he explained that most of them are still stuck "talking" via computer screen. He's enjoying getting out, playing music, meeting for coffee at starbucks, etc.... Sounds just like our generation. (Sorry, I'm a boomer. It's boomer mentality to think "our" means "mine." :-) Love the discussion! Thanks, Stephanie Bennett

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Nancy Baym 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

My sense if that if it is dependent on all these things, then the notion that "kids today" view online interaction as completely nonstigmatic is a problematic notion. I'm not suggesting that youth don't USE all this stuff -- it's evident that they do and that they are into it. My 9 year old son lives on Runescape whenever he can (playing, for the most part, with the playground crowd from his school). What I am talking about is more like this -- when I interviewed college students a few years ago (before they were all "addicted" -- their own term -- to facebook), the people who rarely used the net socially were very happy to say that those who did things like IM with roomates were "pathetic." The ones who did IM roomates said they did it, but viewed themselves (or at least said they did) as "geeky," "pathetic," and other derogatory terms for doing so. Whether they were really stigmatizing their own internet use, or were responding to a sense that they *should* stigmatize it I don't know. Were these college kids the last generation to think there was anything wrong with what they did (and enjoyed doing) online? >Don't want to play the killjoy here, but aren't our answers related to >[and dependent on]: > >- age [teen is broad] >- technological proximity [demand] and design [offer] >- gender [relatively self-explanatory] >- size and nature of existing social networks [directly related to >Andrea's point] >- topic and nature of discussion [soap talk vs. sport talk vs. me talk] >- class [oh, yes, kids form different classes use and think of the >Internet, and other ICTs, in different ways] > >La differance? > >Cheers > >Wainer > >PS My bongo-bongo students seem pretty uncomfortable with online chats, >but well into other electronic mediations [but hey, this is CH1 Britain] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org >> [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Kavanaugh >> Sent: 28 February 2006 15:24 >> To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org >> Subject: Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace >> >> >> I think kids are comfortable because they are generally more likely >> to be writing to people they know from face-to-face relationships >> than are adults. >> >> At 10:10 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: >> >I have a question for those of you working with youth culture, >> >particularly but not just around MySpace. >> > >> >I have been interested recently by what I perceive as a gap between >> >the ways in which most of us *use* the internet socially (ie, often >> >without big issues about it) and the way we *think* about using the >> >internet socially (ie, a poor substitute for more meaningful >> >face-to-face interaction). Recently a number of adults have said to >> >me that this gap between action and perception, which they >> >acknowledge in themselves, is completely gone with teens, what with >> >myspace and all. >> > >> >My question is whether youth really perceive their online >> >communication to be completely non-problematic compared to >> >face-to-face communication, or if even amongst teens there is a sense >> >that it might be a little pathetic or embarrassing to use the >> >internet socially (even amongst those who do). Is the stigma around >> >online socializing really completely gone for youth? Of course, >> >adults always perceive kids as way better and more comfortable with >> >the net than they are, which makes me wonder if this sense that kids >> >have no sense of stigma is adult perception vs youth reality. >> > >> >Thanks for your thoughts, >> >Nancy >> >_______________________________________________ >> >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >> >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers >http://aoir.org >>Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >>http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org >> >>Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >>http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/

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Re: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it"
by Dan L Burk 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

On 28 Feb 2006, Heidelberg, Chris wrote: > > I am > waiting for the first lawsuit that is filed in the U.S. against digital > rights management. Then you missed it -- actually, them. There have been at least two or three that I can think of offhand, in both federal and state court. DLB Dan L. Burk Oppenheimer, Wolff & Donnelly Professor University of Minnesota Law School 229 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 USA *************************************** Voice: 612-626-8726 Fax: 612-625-2011 bits: burkx006(a)umn.edu

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Radhika Gajjala 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

not killjoy at all. "My" handloom weaver kids dont live online either. r At 03:35 PM 2/28/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Don't want to play the killjoy here, but aren't our answers related to >[and dependent on]: > >- age [teen is broad] >- technological proximity [demand] and design [offer] >- gender [relatively self-explanatory] >- size and nature of existing social networks [directly related to >Andrea's point] >- topic and nature of discussion [soap talk vs. sport talk vs. me talk] >- class [oh, yes, kids form different classes use and think of the >Internet, and other ICTs, in different ways] > >La differance? > >Cheers > >Wainer > >PS My bongo-bongo students seem pretty uncomfortable with online chats, >but well into other electronic mediations [but hey, this is CH1 Britain] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org > > [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Kavanaugh > > Sent: 28 February 2006 15:24 > > To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org > > Subject: Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace > > > > > > I think kids are comfortable because they are generally more likely > > to be writing to people they know from face-to-face relationships > > than are adults. > > > > At 10:10 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: > > >I have a question for those of you working with youth culture, > > >particularly but not just around MySpace. > > > > > >I have been interested recently by what I perceive as a gap between > > >the ways in which most of us *use* the internet socially (ie, often > > >without big issues about it) and the way we *think* about using the > > >internet socially (ie, a poor substitute for more meaningful > > >face-to-face interaction). Recently a number of adults have said to > > >me that this gap between action and perception, which they > > >acknowledge in themselves, is completely gone with teens, what with > > >myspace and all. > > > > > >My question is whether youth really perceive their online > > >communication to be completely non-problematic compared to > > >face-to-face communication, or if even amongst teens there is a sense > > >that it might be a little pathetic or embarrassing to use the > > >internet socially (even amongst those who do). Is the stigma around > > >online socializing really completely gone for youth? Of course, > > >adults always perceive kids as way better and more comfortable with > > >the net than they are, which makes me wonder if this sense that kids > > >have no sense of stigma is adult perception vs youth reality. > > > > > >Thanks for your thoughts, > > >Nancy > > >_______________________________________________ > > >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list > > >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers >http://aoir.org > >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: > >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > >http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Bunz, Ulla 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

These are college juniors I'm reporting on here, but we had a discussion about facebook just recently in my class and a number of my students have reported negative consequences of revealing information in facebook, such as getting a real-life stalker. It was pretty clear that to my students (at least those that spoke up) the use of social internet spaces was clearly determined by how they think of the internet. So, perception would even be a determinant of action. Also, my students still report that the quality of online socializing is overall less than offline (with a few exceptions of students reporting no difference). These are not study results, but maybe can serve as indicators. Ulla Bunz

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Re: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it"
by Heidelberg, Chris 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Louise: In my research I noticed the trend in 2004 in the U.S. when the industry began its lawsuits through the RIAA and the MPAA, and simultaneously the industry also began a public education campaign in schools. Despite their numbers and the lawsuits, the "alleged pirates" appear to be winning because of the industry's greed. No better authority than Steve Jobs of Apple Computers stated that people would begin piracy on a much larger scale if the music industry keeps pushing Apple to raise its prices. This is why other outlets like Google, Comcast and the telecomm companies have prices that sometimes are higher than iTunes. I am waiting for the first lawsuit that is filed in the U.S. against digital rights management. In my job as a film producer and Internet content manager I have have multiple digital devices just to listen to music that I have already purchased. The operative question becomes when do you really own a cd or dvd? How can you own some property and the seller is still dictating how you can legally use the product even though you are usin the product in a manner in which it is designed to be used? Apple appears to have it right because they are at least allowing you to own digital property without monthly fees; however, the DRM that Apple utilizes, Fairplay, prevents one from lawfully transferring one's music to other formats. The other content providers such as Napster want consumers to pay rent or else they face losing their libraries. Unfortunately, the industry will have to learn as Sony did during the Beta vs. Vhs videotape wars of the 1980's. I am against real piracy of intellectual property; however, I am equally against the propaganda being spouted or insinuated by the industry that one must pay to download content and that if one does not: one is a thief. The SonyBetamax case is being worked around by new consumer sounding laws like the Digital Content Protection Act of 2006, the Digital Milennium Copyright Act and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The problem in the U.S. is our legal system which allows lobbyists more access to politicians and regulatory officials than corporate interests. Ordinary citizens cannot compete with legal lobbying dollars. Chris -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Louise Ferguson Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:32 PM To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it" On 27/02/06, Heidelberg, Chris <Chris.Heidelberg(a)ssa.gov> wrote: > > Thanks David! This article is excellent for my literature review. I am > nearly finished the first three chapters and I am adding targeted > literature now. This piece really hits home that the industry has > conducted a highly successful and effective anti-piracy communications > campaign. When law enforcement is completely befuddled, it is easy for > one to see how ordinary citizens are experiencing the chilling effects > of legal crackdowns on fair use. > Not only is law enforcement befuddled, but industry associations in the UK are now producing so-called educational materials that time-poor teachers seem eager to use. These, off course, put forward only the industry's line. The next generation is effectively being brainwashed. I feel the recent launch of citizens' digital rights pressure groups in the UK, the Republic of Ireland, and Canada, all within months of each other, is no coincidence. Many are feeling that things have being going one way for too long. Louise Ferguson Chair, Open Rights Group (UK) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Rights_Group _______________________________________________ The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/

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Mentoring midwives by email
by Sarah Stewart 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Dear colleagues I am a senior lecturer in midwifery, midwife and PhD student enrolled at the Centre of Online Health, University of Queensland, Brisbane. I am developing an e-mail mentoring system for new graduate midwives. Are there anyone involved in similar clinical or education work ie carrying out things like critical reflection and debriefing especially in the health field. I would be thrilled to talk to anyone interested in this area or carrying similar work, either on or off list. Thank you all for your help. regards Sarah Sarah Stewart Senior Lecturer School of Midwifery Otago Polytechnic Dunedin New Zealand Tel: 0800 762786 sarahs(a)tekotago.ac.nz

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