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Re: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #20 - 2 msgs
by Mike Posey 28 May '01

28 May '01

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"the law" discussion
by Ulf Reips 27 May '01

27 May '01

At 12:01 Uhr -0400 27.5.2001, air-l-request(a)aoir.org wrote: >Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:13:34 +0200 >To: <air-l(a)aoir.org> >From: Ken Friedman <ken.friedman(a)bi.no> >Subject: [Air-l] More on copyright >Reply-To: air-l(a)aoir.org > >Dear Colleagues, > >Appreciated additional responses and >thoughts on copyright. > >One post deserves comment: someone >wrote a note to the effect that much of >this discussion involved American issues. >Not so. There are world-wide copyright >laws and mutual recognition of national >laws provided under the Berne >Convention. Dear Ken, dear list, thanks for the many URLs of Websites devoted to copyright issues. Sure, there are international conventions covering the handling of conflicts in a general way. However, the application of existing copyright laws and practices in various countries (and states) to cases involving the Internet has not been standardized yet - which is precisely the reason for this discussion. When discussiong "the law" please keep in mind that there are very different law systems in the world, just think of the case system (as in the UK and the US) and the code system (as in France). Therefore, going into too much details of legalese doesn't make sense. In my opinion, we - the Internet community - should rather develop and express an Internet-experience-based catalogue of advice on legal issues, and point out those cases where "Offliners" go terribly wrong. To clarify and empirically justify my original post: The discussion in this list in fact mostly involved American issues. The logic of thinking as well as the examples to a large extent only make sense within the American legal system and are hard to understand from the outside. Let me pick a list of terms and sentences from one of your posts, Ken, that explicitly or implicitly show what I mean: At 12:01 Uhr -0400 25.5.2001, air-l-request(a)aoir.org wrote: >Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:17:12 +0200 >To: <air-l(a)aoir.org> >From: Ken Friedman <ken.friedman(a)bi.no> >Subject: [Air-l] Copyright and fair use -- further notes >Reply-To: air-l(a)aoir.org - The Wind Done Gone - the Sonny Bono act. - 'fair use' - Copyright is determined by legislative act and interpreted by the courts. - to protect against the possibility of libel - the fact that clear demonstration of careful procedures with intent to avoid defamation is itself protection against libel. - Bullwinkle the Moose - lawyer for Wilhelm Reich with less fortunate results - until a judge and jury say you have." - elected to Congress - appointed to the federal bench, he or she can change the law - Martin Luther King - Peter Zenger did with libel law. - many publishers are greedy. This does not limit their rights under the law. The Internet is a world-wide network. Applying local standards too tightly to Internet issues is a danger for the Internet itself, as it will lead to fragmentation or censorship in the end. Therefore, Jeremy, if you feel that your university's policy or your county's law imply a problem with some of the postings in this list - then please let me know, and I'll look into setting up a sub-list or Website on a server in a different part of the world to host these postings ;-) Best wishes, --u

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Re: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #19 - 2 msgs
by Mike Posey 27 May '01

27 May '01

Due to the Memorial Day Holiday Weekend, I will be out of the Office and unavailable via email from Friday May 25th until Tuesday May 29th. I will respond to your email when I get back on Tuesday May 29th. Thanks for emailing me and have a GREAT weekend!

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More on copyright
by Ken Friedman 27 May '01

27 May '01

Dear Colleagues, Appreciated additional responses and thoughts on copyright. One post deserves comment: someone wrote a note to the effect that much of this discussion involved American issues. Not so. There are world-wide copyright laws and mutual recognition of national laws provided under the Berne Convention. Nearly all nations have copyright laws, and most honor other nations' laws -- at least in principle, though enforcement of claims is sometimes difficult in fact. There are several web sites devoted to copyright information: The Copyright Web Site http://www.benedict.com/ US Copyright Office Home Page http://www.loc.gov/copyright/ The UT System Crash Course in Copyright http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/cprtindx.htm Stanford University Fair Use Web Site http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ Australian Copyright Council http://www.copyright.org.au/ UK Copyright Licensing Agency Home Page http://www.cla.co.uk/ Copyright resources Online at Yale University http://www.library.yale.edu/~okerson/copyproj.html Copyright Resources for Web Builders and Multimedia http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/webbuilder/copyright.html There is plenty more on the Web for those who wish to look more deeply into copyright and intellectual property rights. It will interest you to know that not all is yet said and done in the copyright case over "Wind Done Gone." --snip-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/26/business/26BOOK.html May 26, 2001 'WIND' BOOK WINS RULING IN U.S. COURT By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK The United States Court of Appeals in Atlanta overturned a preliminary injunction yesterday blocking publication of "The Wind Done Gone," a novel that revisits the plantation setting of "Gone With the Wind" from a slave's perspective. --snip-- Best regards, Ken Friedman -- ******************************************** Ken Friedman, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design Department of Knowledge Management Norwegian School of Management Visiting Professor Advanced Research Institute School of Art and Design Staffordshire University Norway +47 22.98.50.00 Telephone +47 22.98.51.11 Telefax Home office Byvaegen 13 S-24012 Torna Haellestad Sweden +46 (46) 53.245 Telephone +46 (46) 53.345 Telefax email: ken.friedman(a)bi.no ********************************************

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Re: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #18 - 3 msgs
by Mike Posey 26 May '01

26 May '01

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RE: [Air-l] "the law"
by M _ 25 May '01

25 May '01

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Re: Air-l digest, Vol 1 #17 - 10 msgs
by Mike Posey 25 May '01

25 May '01

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"the law"
by Ulf Reips 25 May '01

25 May '01

At 12:01 Uhr -0400 24.5.2001, Ken Friedman wrote: > >Some of the posts to the list argue against this on moral or ethical >grounds. I will not take up these issues. The law is the law, Hi all, one question: what is the point in using "the law" as a basis for discussion in an "internet"ional mailing list as long as there are no international laws on these issues? Regards, --ur

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Re: [Air-l] "the law"
by Zunt＠aol.com 25 May '01

25 May '01

In a message dated 5/25/01 6:43:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ureips(a)genpsy.unizh.ch writes: > one question: what is the point in using "the law" as a basis for > discussion in an "internet"ional mailing list as long as there are no > international laws on these issues? Your premise (that there are no international laws on these issues) is mistaken. Cheers, Bob Briggs Westport, MA

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Re: [Air-l] Copyright and fair use -- further notes
by Zunt＠aol.com 24 May '01

24 May '01

In a message dated 5/24/01 2:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tedf(a)gsu.edu writes: > (Although I > don't see how they're the "authors" the constution's copyright provision > was designed to protect.) In many cases they are not. They might be the heirs or assignees of the various rights that the author may have granted one way or another. It's not really the individual who is being protected--it's the bundle of rights that are being protected most directly. Benefits accrue to those who generate intellectual property--and to the folks who purchase the rights for redistribution--just because those rights are protected. Congress is supposed to compose copyright law "to promote the progress of science and useful arts...," and historically, the way that's been accomplished in the US has been to allow for a system of economic rewards. Perhaps there's a better way? Cheers, Bob Briggs Westport, MA

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