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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Steffasong＠aol.com 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

>> Is the notion of online social activity as "not real" a generational issue - are we now the generation that doesnt adequately understand that generation? and how might we re-define notions of digital divide considering all this? >> This is an interesting question, Radhika -- one I've been working on in one configuration or another for about a decade. Re. Facebook: The students I have informally interviewed have described an interesting twist in what you and others here are finding. The most recent student I spoke with, a 20 year-old junior, explained to me that his "life is going much better since he's backed off myspace." Of course, I found this comment wildly interesting and pursued it further. He explained that he had spent so much time in front of the computer screen for the past two years that he didn't realize how addicted he was to relationships that "weren't real." Said he was happy to get out again and see people in person. When I asked about the rest of his friends he explained that most of them are still stuck "talking" via computer screen. He's enjoying getting out, playing music, meeting for coffee at starbucks, etc.... Sounds just like our generation. (Sorry, I'm a boomer. It's boomer mentality to think "our" means "mine." :-) Love the discussion! Thanks, Stephanie Bennett

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Nancy Baym 01 Mar '06

01 Mar '06

My sense if that if it is dependent on all these things, then the notion that "kids today" view online interaction as completely nonstigmatic is a problematic notion. I'm not suggesting that youth don't USE all this stuff -- it's evident that they do and that they are into it. My 9 year old son lives on Runescape whenever he can (playing, for the most part, with the playground crowd from his school). What I am talking about is more like this -- when I interviewed college students a few years ago (before they were all "addicted" -- their own term -- to facebook), the people who rarely used the net socially were very happy to say that those who did things like IM with roomates were "pathetic." The ones who did IM roomates said they did it, but viewed themselves (or at least said they did) as "geeky," "pathetic," and other derogatory terms for doing so. Whether they were really stigmatizing their own internet use, or were responding to a sense that they *should* stigmatize it I don't know. Were these college kids the last generation to think there was anything wrong with what they did (and enjoyed doing) online? >Don't want to play the killjoy here, but aren't our answers related to >[and dependent on]: > >- age [teen is broad] >- technological proximity [demand] and design [offer] >- gender [relatively self-explanatory] >- size and nature of existing social networks [directly related to >Andrea's point] >- topic and nature of discussion [soap talk vs. sport talk vs. me talk] >- class [oh, yes, kids form different classes use and think of the >Internet, and other ICTs, in different ways] > >La differance? > >Cheers > >Wainer > >PS My bongo-bongo students seem pretty uncomfortable with online chats, >but well into other electronic mediations [but hey, this is CH1 Britain] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org >> [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Kavanaugh >> Sent: 28 February 2006 15:24 >> To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org >> Subject: Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace >> >> >> I think kids are comfortable because they are generally more likely >> to be writing to people they know from face-to-face relationships >> than are adults. >> >> At 10:10 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: >> >I have a question for those of you working with youth culture, >> >particularly but not just around MySpace. >> > >> >I have been interested recently by what I perceive as a gap between >> >the ways in which most of us *use* the internet socially (ie, often >> >without big issues about it) and the way we *think* about using the >> >internet socially (ie, a poor substitute for more meaningful >> >face-to-face interaction). Recently a number of adults have said to >> >me that this gap between action and perception, which they >> >acknowledge in themselves, is completely gone with teens, what with >> >myspace and all. >> > >> >My question is whether youth really perceive their online >> >communication to be completely non-problematic compared to >> >face-to-face communication, or if even amongst teens there is a sense >> >that it might be a little pathetic or embarrassing to use the >> >internet socially (even amongst those who do). Is the stigma around >> >online socializing really completely gone for youth? Of course, >> >adults always perceive kids as way better and more comfortable with >> >the net than they are, which makes me wonder if this sense that kids >> >have no sense of stigma is adult perception vs youth reality. >> > >> >Thanks for your thoughts, >> >Nancy >> >_______________________________________________ >> >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >> >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers >http://aoir.org >>Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >>http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org >> >>Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >>http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/

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Re: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it"
by Dan L Burk 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

On 28 Feb 2006, Heidelberg, Chris wrote: > > I am > waiting for the first lawsuit that is filed in the U.S. against digital > rights management. Then you missed it -- actually, them. There have been at least two or three that I can think of offhand, in both federal and state court. DLB Dan L. Burk Oppenheimer, Wolff & Donnelly Professor University of Minnesota Law School 229 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 USA *************************************** Voice: 612-626-8726 Fax: 612-625-2011 bits: burkx006(a)umn.edu

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Radhika Gajjala 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

not killjoy at all. "My" handloom weaver kids dont live online either. r At 03:35 PM 2/28/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Don't want to play the killjoy here, but aren't our answers related to >[and dependent on]: > >- age [teen is broad] >- technological proximity [demand] and design [offer] >- gender [relatively self-explanatory] >- size and nature of existing social networks [directly related to >Andrea's point] >- topic and nature of discussion [soap talk vs. sport talk vs. me talk] >- class [oh, yes, kids form different classes use and think of the >Internet, and other ICTs, in different ways] > >La differance? > >Cheers > >Wainer > >PS My bongo-bongo students seem pretty uncomfortable with online chats, >but well into other electronic mediations [but hey, this is CH1 Britain] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org > > [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Kavanaugh > > Sent: 28 February 2006 15:24 > > To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org > > Subject: Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace > > > > > > I think kids are comfortable because they are generally more likely > > to be writing to people they know from face-to-face relationships > > than are adults. > > > > At 10:10 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: > > >I have a question for those of you working with youth culture, > > >particularly but not just around MySpace. > > > > > >I have been interested recently by what I perceive as a gap between > > >the ways in which most of us *use* the internet socially (ie, often > > >without big issues about it) and the way we *think* about using the > > >internet socially (ie, a poor substitute for more meaningful > > >face-to-face interaction). Recently a number of adults have said to > > >me that this gap between action and perception, which they > > >acknowledge in themselves, is completely gone with teens, what with > > >myspace and all. > > > > > >My question is whether youth really perceive their online > > >communication to be completely non-problematic compared to > > >face-to-face communication, or if even amongst teens there is a sense > > >that it might be a little pathetic or embarrassing to use the > > >internet socially (even amongst those who do). Is the stigma around > > >online socializing really completely gone for youth? Of course, > > >adults always perceive kids as way better and more comfortable with > > >the net than they are, which makes me wonder if this sense that kids > > >have no sense of stigma is adult perception vs youth reality. > > > > > >Thanks for your thoughts, > > >Nancy > > >_______________________________________________ > > >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list > > >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers >http://aoir.org > >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: > >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > >http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list >is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org >Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: >http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > >Join the Association of Internet Researchers: >http://www.aoir.org/

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Re: [Air-l] teens and myspace
by Bunz, Ulla 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

These are college juniors I'm reporting on here, but we had a discussion about facebook just recently in my class and a number of my students have reported negative consequences of revealing information in facebook, such as getting a real-life stalker. It was pretty clear that to my students (at least those that spoke up) the use of social internet spaces was clearly determined by how they think of the internet. So, perception would even be a determinant of action. Also, my students still report that the quality of online socializing is overall less than offline (with a few exceptions of students reporting no difference). These are not study results, but maybe can serve as indicators. Ulla Bunz

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Re: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it"
by Heidelberg, Chris 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Louise: In my research I noticed the trend in 2004 in the U.S. when the industry began its lawsuits through the RIAA and the MPAA, and simultaneously the industry also began a public education campaign in schools. Despite their numbers and the lawsuits, the "alleged pirates" appear to be winning because of the industry's greed. No better authority than Steve Jobs of Apple Computers stated that people would begin piracy on a much larger scale if the music industry keeps pushing Apple to raise its prices. This is why other outlets like Google, Comcast and the telecomm companies have prices that sometimes are higher than iTunes. I am waiting for the first lawsuit that is filed in the U.S. against digital rights management. In my job as a film producer and Internet content manager I have have multiple digital devices just to listen to music that I have already purchased. The operative question becomes when do you really own a cd or dvd? How can you own some property and the seller is still dictating how you can legally use the product even though you are usin the product in a manner in which it is designed to be used? Apple appears to have it right because they are at least allowing you to own digital property without monthly fees; however, the DRM that Apple utilizes, Fairplay, prevents one from lawfully transferring one's music to other formats. The other content providers such as Napster want consumers to pay rent or else they face losing their libraries. Unfortunately, the industry will have to learn as Sony did during the Beta vs. Vhs videotape wars of the 1980's. I am against real piracy of intellectual property; however, I am equally against the propaganda being spouted or insinuated by the industry that one must pay to download content and that if one does not: one is a thief. The SonyBetamax case is being worked around by new consumer sounding laws like the Digital Content Protection Act of 2006, the Digital Milennium Copyright Act and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The problem in the U.S. is our legal system which allows lobbyists more access to politicians and regulatory officials than corporate interests. Ordinary citizens cannot compete with legal lobbying dollars. Chris -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Louise Ferguson Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:32 PM To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it" On 27/02/06, Heidelberg, Chris <Chris.Heidelberg(a)ssa.gov> wrote: > > Thanks David! This article is excellent for my literature review. I am > nearly finished the first three chapters and I am adding targeted > literature now. This piece really hits home that the industry has > conducted a highly successful and effective anti-piracy communications > campaign. When law enforcement is completely befuddled, it is easy for > one to see how ordinary citizens are experiencing the chilling effects > of legal crackdowns on fair use. > Not only is law enforcement befuddled, but industry associations in the UK are now producing so-called educational materials that time-poor teachers seem eager to use. These, off course, put forward only the industry's line. The next generation is effectively being brainwashed. I feel the recent launch of citizens' digital rights pressure groups in the UK, the Republic of Ireland, and Canada, all within months of each other, is no coincidence. Many are feeling that things have being going one way for too long. Louise Ferguson Chair, Open Rights Group (UK) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Rights_Group _______________________________________________ The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/

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Mentoring midwives by email
by Sarah Stewart 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Dear colleagues I am a senior lecturer in midwifery, midwife and PhD student enrolled at the Centre of Online Health, University of Queensland, Brisbane. I am developing an e-mail mentoring system for new graduate midwives. Are there anyone involved in similar clinical or education work ie carrying out things like critical reflection and debriefing especially in the health field. I would be thrilled to talk to anyone interested in this area or carrying similar work, either on or off list. Thank you all for your help. regards Sarah Sarah Stewart Senior Lecturer School of Midwifery Otago Polytechnic Dunedin New Zealand Tel: 0800 762786 sarahs(a)tekotago.ac.nz

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need digital video editing help ASAP
by Annette Markham 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Dear Colleagues, We're offering a short/intensive course called "Digital Video Editing" here at the University of the Virgin Islands. The professor I hired for the course just had a hospital emergency, and will not be able to teach the course. I need to either cancel the course OR find a Visiting Professor for this brief opportunity. Is there anyone out there who can: 1) Teach digital video editing from March 7-11, 2006 (yes, that's next week!) 2) Fly free round trip to the Virgin Islands 3) Stay free in faculty housing on campus, with a balcony overlooking the beach Here are some of the qualifiers for the Visiting Professor: We prefer someone with a PhD in Communication or a related field who has taught a course like this before, but significant experience in digital video editing, particularly using Adobe Premiere, will substitute for a graduate degree. How does the class work? Students on two islands meet in a videoconferenced lab for class. Class meets March 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 from 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. (with a one hour break). Students completing projects must be able to contact the professor via email or phone from March 11- April 11 to get additional advice and guidance. What are the Benefits, besides a free trip to the Caribbean? Remuneration for the course is approximately $1,700 and lodging, plus airfare and reimbursment for airport transportation, taxis, and meals. Caveat: At this short notice, we are limited in our ability to fly someone here from huge distances, like Australia. So the decision is somewhat determined by flight prices, unless the Visiting Professor wanted to pay for part of his or her airfare....all things are possible. If you want to make this a mini-vacation, it's also optional to extend your stay in the faculty apartment until March 14th. Please contact me as soon as possible if you are interested, and please include as much information about yourself up front so we can make a quick decision. Thanks for your help, and for passing this message along to others who might be interested, Annette Markham Associate Professor and Program Chair, Communication Studies University of the Virgin Islands #2 John Brewer's Bay St. Thomas, USVI 00802-9990 (340) 626 2396 mobile (340) 693-1356 office amarkha(a)uvi.edu

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Re: [Air-l] Downloading music
by Heidelberg, Chris 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

Jeremy: Can you provide a url link to John Logie's paper? I am conducting research on edutainment and convergence and this issue is becoming a propaganda battle between the companies who can lobby and persuade lawmakers and the consumers who value fair use. This is beginning to look like total capitalism which is different from the old style of capitalism. Globalism has seemed to bring out the worst in too many businesses. Here is a revolutionary idea. Provide a good product inexpensively and you will not have to worry about illegal activity. Hence, the reason iTunes has over a billion downloads in just a few years and WalMart is the king of the retailing world. I am not saying that these institutions are perfect but they seem to get it when it comes to their customers more often than not. Suing your customers is simply mistreating your customers and if the music industry is not careful they may create competitors on the web who outsell them in ten years and who refuse to sell their businesses. Remember the old days when Erols led the world in video rentals until Blockbuster annihilated them, and now NetFlix and others are killing hurting Blockbuster because of convergence. -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Sue Cranmer Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:24 AM To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Downloading music Thanks for the info. This is useful. I will check out John Logie's paper too and retune my 'intuition'. BW Sue -----Original Message----- From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Hunsinger Sent: 25 February 2006 14:13 To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org Subject: Re: [Air-l] Downloading music it depends on the individual track as to whether it is illegal or not. there is quite a bit of perfectly legal downloadable music on archive.org, http://www.archive.org/details/audio and record companies and artists do release individual tracks off albums for free and some people, like Loca http://www.locarecords.com/ index2.html , release whole albums freely l, or under special license like creative commons, or open content. however, you have to be aware of whether those are licensed or just copyrighted and whether there are modifications to the terms, etc. etc. however, i do find the intuition that 'if you didn't pay, it is illegal' to be very interesting, because that is the intuition that record companies try to promote in the u.s. John Logie gave an interesting paper about that in Chicago . On Feb 25, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Sue Cranmer wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone clarify for me when it's legal/illegal to download music > from the internet. I've just checked out sites like > http://www.mp3musichq.com/me/index.asp?source=guks-03&kw=limewire > which say > that it's legal as long as you follow the copyright rules. > > I have also read articles saying that some companies are releasing > stuff by up and coming bands for promotional reasons, that is free to > download online. But, the stuff on sites like limewire is more far > reaching than just new/promotional. > > I had assumed that if you didn't pay for it it was illegal. But having > interviewed many 14 year olds about it this week, this is clearly not > their understanding. > > Thanks for your help. > > Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the > Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change > options or unsubscribe at: http:// > listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ jeremy hunsinger jhuns(a)vt.edu www.cddc.vt.edu jeremy.tmttlt.com www.tmttlt.com () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments http://www.stswiki.org/ sts wiki _______________________________________________ The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ _______________________________________________ The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/

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Re: [Air-l] Downloading music
by hassan＠wwhmail.com 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

----- Forwarded message from hassan(a)wwhmail.com ----- Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:46:43 +0000 From: hassan(a)wwhmail.com Reply-To: hassan(a)wwhmail.com Subject: Re: [Air-l] Downloading music To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org Hello Sue, Please check this link http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php for an idea how downloading music, or any P2P files, in Sweden is regarded. Hassan Sougrati NuMillenium Dig Techs Ireland Quoting "Heidelberg, Chris" <Chris.Heidelberg(a)ssa.gov>: > Thanks David! This article is excellent for my literature review. I am > nearly finished the first three chapters and I am adding targeted > literature now. This piece really hits home that the industry has > conducted a highly successful and effective anti-piracy communications > campaign. When law enforcement is completely befuddled, it is easy for > one to see how ordinary citizens are experiencing the chilling effects > of legal crackdowns on fair use. > > -----Original Message----- > From: air-l-bounces(a)listserv.aoir.org > [mailto:air-l-bounces@listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of David Brake > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:58 PM > To: AoIR mailing list > Subject: [Air-l] "It can't be legal unless you pay for it" > > Recent discussion of the legality (or otherwise) of downloading audio > reminded me of a recent news story here in the UK about a trading > standards officer (locally-based business 'policeman') who found people > selling discs with Firefox on it and complained to a representative of > the Mozilla Foundation that "I can't believe that your company would > allow people to make money from something that you allow people to have > free access to." > > Copyleft and creative commons etc is evidently hard for many of the > 'ordinary public' (or even supposed experts!) to understand... > > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2051196,00.html > > P.S. For more free to download and use audio, check out http:// > opsound.org/ > > --- > David Brake, Doctoral Student in Media and Communications, London School > of Economics & Political Science > <http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/media@lse/study/ > mPhilPhDMediaAndCommunications.htm> > Also see http://davidbrake.org/ (home page), http://blog.org/ (personal > weblog) and http://get.to/lseblog (academic groupblog) Author of Dealing > With E-Mail - <http://davidbrake.org/ dealingwithemail/> > callto://DavidBrake (Skype.com's Instant Messenger and net phone) > > _______________________________________________ > The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association > of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or > unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > http://www.aoir.org/ > _______________________________________________ > The air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list > is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org > Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: > http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org > > Join the Association of Internet Researchers: > http://www.aoir.org/ > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/

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