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More on the change
by Gilbert B. Rodman 12 May '09

12 May '09

Hi, all -- Thanks to Charles for providing the extra context, which is very helpful. Since he says the Exec is looking for input from the list as a whole, here's my small contribution. Seems to me that either setup is inconvenient for someone: the new system places a burden (however small) on people who want to keep an ongoing conversation onlist, the old system places a burden (however small) on people who want to reply offlist to messages that appeared onlist. Neither of these burdens is exactly outrageous -- we're not talking about poll taxes or mandatory 30-day waiting periods here -- but they're still likely to produce very different types of list activity. The new system makes people who want to keep an open dialogue going do a small amount of extra work, while it protects people who aren't actually trying to contribute to a public conversation from doing so accidentally. The old system makes people who wanted to continue onlist conversations privately do a small amount of extra work, while it allows people who want to have a public conversation to do so easily. At the risk of echoing Marj's comments, the new system seems like an ideal choice if we assume that AIR-L is primarily an announcement-centered list for CFPs, job postings, and such. The tiny bit of extra friction involved in keeping a conversation going onlist keeps the air(-l) relatively clear so that the those announcements can happen. If, however, we assume that AIR-L is supposed to be a "place" where internet researchers can converse with one another in an open forum, then the old system is better -- especially since the list hasn't exactly been flooded with embarrassing and/or career-killing personal messages -- since it offloads that tiny bit of extra friction onto people who aren't actually trying to keep that public conversation going anyway. Personally, I favor the old system. As long as we're hoping that AIR-L is for open dialogue as much as (if not more than) it is for announcements, it seems to me that the bias -- however small it might be, either way -- should run in favor of the people who're doing the most work to keep that conversation going. Put a slightly different way, the "accidents" in the new system hurt that open dialogue, since those accidents involve would-be posters forgetting to use "reply-all" and thus sliding into private conversations. And that seems like a much steeper price to pay than the occasional personal message slipping through every few months. cheers gil PS: One additional bit of context for my remarks above. Since 1996, I've managed a public listserv that currently has 2250 members and averages roughly 100 posts every month. It's always been set up so that replies go to the whole list. We get a handful of accidental personal messages every year ... and I suspect I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of those that were scandalous enough to raise anyone's eyebrows. When we've had serious scandal/trouble -- and it's been a while (he said, tempting fate recklessly) -- it's almost always come from people who knew quite well that they were posting to the whole list. Obviously, different lists have different purposes, involve different communities, and produce different cultures of their own. But, in my experience anyway, the biggest threat to lively onlist dialogue comes from spam and flames, not from the occasional "I am very interested in your job/conference/book-project" message that accidentally slips through.

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Priorities and Probabilities re: the big switch debate
by RBerkman＠aol.com 12 May '09

12 May '09

Bottom line seems to be that if we agree with the premise that: seeing the back and forth discussions on this list is its primary value and the reason why people subscribe (and perhaps even for some their entire interest in AIR!), then removing this value would be even a higher "disaster" than a lawsuit, etc. (and much more probable), as it will defeat nearly the entire purpose of this valued entity! Bob Berkman Associate Professor Media Studies & Film The New School New York NY In a message dated 5/12/2009 4:42:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, U.Matzat(a)tue.nl writes: On 11 May 2009 at 20:40, air-l-request(a)listserv.aoir.o wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:25:34 -0400 > From: Alex Halavais <alex(a)halavais.net> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Change of default reply setting on air-l > To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org > Message-ID: > <e0fe0c740905110625n71f690dfle9e0775ed700d1cc(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > May I ask a naive question? Several have suggested that changing the > list to default to reply-to-author will have significant detrimental > effects on the community, ranging from harm to ruin. Some have indicated > that this is a well-researched fact. I have done a study on the determinants of sending answers/providing information in academic emailing lists. While I was interested in other things, one of the many control variables indicates whether the default reply is to the group. This control variable has a significant positive effect on the likelihood of sending an answer to the whole list. The study compares the posting behavior of researchers in 47 academic emailing lists over a period of 2 months. For more details see Table 2 in the following: Matzat, U. (2009). "The Embeddedness of Academic Online Groups in Offline Social Networks: Reputation Gain as a Stimulus for Online Discussion Participation?" in: International Sociology, 24, 1: 63-92. Nevertheless I prefer the new setting (but not the sudden way it was implemented). Although I am on digest, it is hard for me to follow the discussions and only some of the postings are valuable to me. Best regards, Uwe _______________________________________________ The Air-L(a)listserv.aoir.org mailing list is provided by the Association of Internet Researchers http://aoir.org Subscribe, change options or unsubscribe at: http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org Join the Association of Internet Researchers: http://www.aoir.org/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=htt… =Mayfooter51209NO115)

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Change of default reply setting on air-l
by andrea baker 12 May '09

12 May '09

Hello, I agree with Lois. Why change something for the whole list when only a few mistakes are made by individuals per year? The idea of a vote seems a good one at this point. I'm not sure--is this post getting through? :-) cheers, a

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Re: [Air-L] Change of default reply setting on air-l
by RBerkman＠aol.com 12 May '09

12 May '09

(Interesting to ponder what might have been the result if we all could have only replied to the initial sender of this thread!) Robert Berkman Associate Professor Media Studies & Film The New School ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=htt… hmpgID=115&bcd=Mayfooter51209NO115)

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Re: [Air-L] Change of default reply setting on air-l
by William Bain 12 May '09

12 May '09

Jeremy Hunsinger wrote: "if the exec comm isn't going to revert the setting, then it should change the list etiquette page and disclaimer notices. http://aoir.org/?page_id=3 ", which seems to me an excellent point. I also agree with the many other good arguments in favor the original system of default reply to the listserv. By the way, my Yahoo mail just gets my post bounced if I press _either_ "reply to" or "reply all". At least that's what happens with the standard settings, maybe there's a way to change that. Otherwise I usually press the hotworded address I want to reply to. I assume I'm interpreting "reply to" correctly in the discussion, maybe not...... Best regards, Will William Bain PhD Candidate Literary Theory Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona

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Some data on Change of default reply setting on air-l
by Matzat, U. 12 May '09

12 May '09

On 11 May 2009 at 20:40, air-l-request(a)listserv.aoir.o wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:25:34 -0400 > From: Alex Halavais <alex(a)halavais.net> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Change of default reply setting on air-l > To: air-l(a)listserv.aoir.org > Message-ID: > <e0fe0c740905110625n71f690dfle9e0775ed700d1cc(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > May I ask a naive question? Several have suggested that changing the > list to default to reply-to-author will have significant detrimental > effects on the community, ranging from harm to ruin. Some have indicated > that this is a well-researched fact. I have done a study on the determinants of sending answers/providing information in academic emailing lists. While I was interested in other things, one of the many control variables indicates whether the default reply is to the group. This control variable has a significant positive effect on the likelihood of sending an answer to the whole list. The study compares the posting behavior of researchers in 47 academic emailing lists over a period of 2 months. For more details see Table 2 in the following: Matzat, U. (2009). "The Embeddedness of Academic Online Groups in Offline Social Networks: Reputation Gain as a Stimulus for Online Discussion Participation?" in: International Sociology, 24, 1: 63-92. Nevertheless I prefer the new setting (but not the sudden way it was implemented). Although I am on digest, it is hard for me to follow the discussions and only some of the postings are valuable to me. Best regards, Uwe

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e-poetry festival reminder
by William Bain 12 May '09

12 May '09

The 5th edition of the 2009 E-Poetry Festival to take place in Barcelona May 24th-27th at the Universitat Obertat de Catalunya, hosted by the Hermeneia Research Group, has published its provisional program and information about meal fees. The latter will go up after 15 May, so I thought this reminder might be in order. Festival website => http://www.e-poetry2009.com/ Best regards, Will

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Re: [Air-L] Change of default reply setting on air-l
by Nicholas John 12 May '09

12 May '09

> > Let's see if the traffic to this list slows down over a certain period > of time, and, if so, by how much. But of course, this being the era of reflexive modernity, sophisticated members of this group who oppose the change will have realised that by refraining from posting during the period of the experiment, they are able to influence the outcome of the experiment in a manner that accords with their agenda. Likewise, supporters of the change can start posting much more frequently in order to counter this. I think that the issue is a normative one, and not one that lends itself easily to experimentation. Nicholas _____________________ Dr. Nicholas John Research Fellow ICTAF, Tel Aviv University www.sociothink.com

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2nd CfP: OZCHI 2009 - Keynote speakers announced
by Marcus Foth 11 May '09

11 May '09

2nd Call for Papers & Announcement of Keynote Speakers OZCHI 2009 – Design: Open 24/7 21st Annual Conference of the Australian Computer-Human Interaction Special Interest Group (CHISIG) of the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society of Australia (HFESA) 23 – 27 November 2009, The University of Melbourne, Australia http://www.ozchi.org/ OZCHI is Australia’s leading forum for research and development in all areas of Human-Computer Interaction. OZCHI attracts an international community of practitioners, researchers, academics and students from a wide range of disciplines including user experience designers, information architects, software engineers, human factors experts, information systems analysts, and social scientists. The main conference will be from Wed 25 to Fri 27 Nov 2009, and will be preceded by two days of Workshops, Tutorials and a Doctoral Consortium on Mon 23 and Tue 24 Nov 2009. OZCHI will take place back- to-back with HFESA 2009: http://www.hfesaconference.org.au/ scheduled to run from 22-25 Nov 2009. The venue for both conferences is the ICT building of the University of Melbourne, 111 Barry St, Parkville. We are very excited to announce the following keynote speakers for this year's OZCHI conference: .. Bill Moggridge, Co-founder of IDEO.com .. Patrick Hofmann, Head of User Experience, Google Australia .. Yvonne Rogers, Director, Pervasive Interaction Lab, Open University, UK We look forward to welcoming you to an exciting conference in Australia’s design capital. Marcus Foth, QUT Conference Chair chair(a)ozchi.org Important Dates Long papers, and workshop & tutorial proposals 12 Jun 2009: Submission deadline 14 Aug 2009: Notification of acceptance 28 Aug 2009: Camera ready papers deadline Short papers, industry case studies, demos & posters, and doctoral consortium 28 Aug 2009: Submission deadline 25 Sep 2009: Notification of acceptance 02 Oct 2009: Camera ready papers deadline Conference Theme The 2009 conference theme is Design: Open 24/7. Accessibility, inclusivity and dissolving boundaries are core to the Open 24/7 theme for the design of human interaction with and through digital technologies. The integration of digital technologies into our everyday life allows for a seamless transitioning between open and closed, work and leisure, public and private. Open implies participation and collaboration across traditional borders between individuals, organisations and disciplines. OZCHI 2009 provides a forum to discuss all aspects of openness, open borders, open participation, open source and open architecture. Theme-related submissions may address these topics: Open always-on real-time ubiquitous and pervasive designs Open design and universality versus situatedness, contextualisation and personalisation Open source for design – design for open source Open mind – new ideas, concepts and approaches from outside HCI Beyond open – never closed: design for escapism Conference Topics Submissions in all areas of HCI are encouraged. In addition, we particularly invite authors to address any of the following topics: Augmented Reality Context and Location Awareness Education and HCI Health Care and HCI Innovative Design Methodologies Smart Service Delivery Sustainability Universal Usability and Accessibility Urban Informatics Tangible User Interfaces Visualisation Techniques Working across Cultures Submissions All submissions must be written in English. Both long and short papers will undergo a double blind review process by an international panel and evaluated on the basis of their significance, originality, and clarity of writing. Accepted long papers and short papers will be available in the published proceedings. At least one author of any accepted submission must register and attend the conference and present the paper for publication in the proceedings. All submissions must use the two column OZCHI proceedings template:http://www.ozchi.org/mediawiki/ozchipaper_template2009.doc Long Papers Full length papers, up to 8 pages, on original and substantive new work in any area of HCI are invited. Long papers should describe work that makes a significant contribution to HCI or describe broad insights gained from practical applications of HCI. Jesper Kjeldskov & Jeni Paay, CSIRO User Experience Group Technical Program Chairs program(a)ozchi.org Short Papers Short length papers, up to 4 pages, should present ideas that could benefit from discussion with members of the HCI community. These papers may include work-in-progress, experiences of reflective practitioners, and first drafts of novel concepts and approaches. Stephen Viller, UQ & Rebecca Schultz, WorkSafe Victoria Short Papers Chairs shorts(a)ozchi.org Industry Case Studies Industry Case Studies demonstrate how user experience professionals have applied human-computer interaction to create practical solutions to commercial situations. Presentations may include areas such as: challenges faced in implementing methods and techniques; development of new or improved techniques; or incorporating usability into an organisation. Submissions should contain: A 250 word summary for the conference program including: the issue addressed; what will be presented; and relevance to the HCI community. A proposal outlining the presentation and the rationale behind it, including: .. Session title .. Presenter(s) name and organisation .. A brief background of the presenter(s) and organisation .. The business problem addressed .. The approach and/or solution .. Challenges and issues that emerged throughout the project .. Benefits and limitations .. If applicable, how a similar approach or solution could be used in other contexts .. Relevance of the case study to other HCI professionals .. Technical requirements for delivering the presentation Ash Donaldson, Produxi Consulting & Shane Morris, Microsoft Industry Chairs industry(a)ozchi.org Demos & Posters Demonstrations and posters provide an attractive way to showcase real outcomes of human-computer interaction research and development. These sessions offer a platform to share ideas, concepts and work-in- progress face-to-face with the OZCHI community in a way that a paper presentation cannot. Proposals for demos and posters should be submitted on 2 pages using the OZCHI proceedings template. Ben Kraal, QUT & Ricky Robinson, NICTA Demos & Posters Chairs demos(a)ozchi.org Workshops & Tutorials Workshops and tutorials are half day or full day sessions prior to the main conference program on 23 and 24 Nov 2009. Proposals (max of 2 pages, OZCHI format) should be aimed at a community with a common interest. A tutorial proposal should provide participants with clear outcomes. The workshop and tutorial program is not included in the main conference fee. Workshops are a chance for people with common interests to meet for a focused and interactive discussion. If you are working in an emerging area in HCI, consider organising a workshop as an opportunity to advance the field and build momentum. OZCHI workshops might address basic or applied research, HCI practice, new methodologies, emerging application areas, design innovations, management and organisational issues, or HCI education. Each workshop should generate ideas that give the HCI community a new, organised way of thinking about the topic, or ideas that suggest promising directions for future research. Some workshops result in edited books or special issues of journals; you may consider including this goal in the your workshop proposal. Tutorials are full day or half day events designed to offer participants the opportunity to learn about specific HCI related concepts, methods and techniques. They are one of the best means of conveying introductory and advanced instruction on specific topics to an interested audience. Tutorials are a significant attraction to delegates and provide exposure in depth and breadth to HCI topics. We welcome both research and industry tutorial submissions. Tutorial submissions (max of 2 pages, OZCHI format) should include a clear list of outcomes for participants. Lian Loke & Toni Robertson, UTS Workshops, Tutorials and Panels Chairs workshops(a)ozchi.org Doctoral Consortium The Doctoral Consortium is scheduled prior to the main conference program on 24 Nov 2009. The Doctoral Consortium offers PhD students a special forum where they can present, discuss and progress their research plans with peers and established senior researchers. PhD candidates wishing to attend the consortium should submit a research proposal in the format given on the OZCHI website. Positions at the consortium will be offered based on a review of the submitted proposals. Margot Brereton, QUT Doctoral Consortium Chair dc(a)ozchi.org Volunteers OZCHI actively encourages students to volunteer at the conference. Being a student volunteer is a great way to support the HCI community, meet other students in the field, and attend the premier HCI conference Australia. 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Re: [Air-L] Change of default reply setting on air-l
by Tuszynski, Stephanie 11 May '09

11 May '09

Is it really that onerous a task to manually include the entire list into your reply fields when you want to? We're talking something that's a matter of keystrokes at most. If you want your reply to go to the entire list, nobody is preventing that from happening. This list, in particular, is not populated by people who are Internet illiterate. It's not that difficult to add the mailing list to the reply field. Also, as someone on digest, when I hit "reply" this morning's digest message, I got the list address in the reply-to field automatically. I didn't even have to C&P. Dr. Stephanie Tuszynski Assistant Professor of Communication Bethany College This message may contain confidential information for the use of the addressee(s) above and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing or copying this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, immediately notify us by replying to the message and delete the original message immediately. Thank you.

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